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visserman
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 Posted - 10/28/2005 : 13:00:39
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I have to put this post up in sections. Working on a PC which logs me out from time to time and had nearly finished whole post but lost it when I submitted it.
No problem as I still have the notes where I am working from.
For now I will just explain what the post is about..........
In the Metal Cases you will find a code, this code usually consits of a letter, and a number. These codes changed over a period of time and you can see how they change.
Will put up a table which contains Type of Pedal, S/R , code a toplidpart and bottom part, status of the pedal [Second Hand or New] and additional remarks.
Toplidpart: the part which hinges on the two screws, also part which contains the battery screw.
Bottompart: the part where the battery sits
---= Not applicable~ no code visiable~
Let us now go to the table
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Pedal Top Bottom Status Additional Remarks
TW-1 s/n 9500 --- --- second hand silver screw version
HM-2 s/n 351600 no.7 --- second hand MIJ paperlabel
Code in middle toplid
letter A underneath
no.7
Because of fear of losing my post, will submit this now, but there is a lot more to come |
Edited by - visserman on 10/28/2005 14:53:01 |
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visserman
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Posted - 10/28/2005 : 13:20:57
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FT-2 s/n 789300 nr.15 --- second hand Code at top of lid
S/N on paperlabel
MIJ
Letter B underneath
no.15
CS-1 s/n 118100 A --- second hand letter A in middle
toplid and UPsideDown!!!!
LM-2 s/n 785200 nr.14 --- Jan. '89 code is at top of toplid
Box contains loose sticker:
"Boss A Sound Inovator"
Letter A underneath nr.14
GE-7 MA 43226 no.16.K.B --- May '90 lettering code is very
small. MIJ
code is at top of toplid
DC-3 AA 33475 no.18-K --- second hand Corners toplid contain
numbers 1 2 4 5 and 6
starting in right hand
corner moving anti-clockwise.
Underneath no.18 is letter A
AW-3 ZD 11566 T 09-k --- second hand code is at top toplid
BF-3 ZP 87346 T43 T43 Autumn '02 Numbers 02 and 03 are
encircled on toplid will
mention "encircled"
from now on!
Metal stamp at bottom
Stamp looks like:
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will just mention
"stamped" from now on.
Code is near batt. screw
PH-3 AP 55094 T41 TU2 T41 Autumn '02 encircled at toplid
with 01 and 02, code is near
batt.screw Notice the TWO
codes at the bottom!!
More to come as I need to post this now before system logs me out
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Edited by - visserman on 10/28/2005 15:12:30 |
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visserman
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Posted - 10/28/2005 : 14:28:09
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DD-6 s/n ZQ 10913 T43 T44 Autumn '02 Encircled 02 03 at toplid
Stamped at bottompart
code is near batt.screw
PS-3 s/n BK 54129 T22 --- Dec '02
CH-1 s/n BP 92525 T38 T44 Dec '02 Code is near batt.screw
RV-5 s/n ZQ 11077 T43 T44 Feb.'03 Top encircled 02 03
Bottom stamped
Code is near batt.screw
CS-3 s/n WQ 66277 T44 T45 June '03 MIT with adaptor socket
at the bottom
Code is near batt.screw
encircled with 02 03
Stamped at bottom
GEB-7 s/n ER 63882 T48 T48 May '04 Code near batt. screw
encircled 02 03
stamp at bottom
LS-2 s/n DR 73673 T47 T48 June '04 Code near batt. screw
encircled with 02 03
stamp at bottom
came with 2 rubbers
for BCB6
MT-2 s/n YQ 87322 T46 T45 June '04 Code near batt. screw
encircled with 02 03
stamp at bottom
SYB-3 s/n BQ 92947 T45 T40 June '04 Code near batt.screw
encircled with 02 03
stamp at bottom
Will post this now in fear for losing material.
Still more information to come.
Really sorry about this "Stop and Start" kind of posting |
Edited by - visserman on 10/28/2005 15:14:44 |
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visserman
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Posted - 10/28/2005 : 14:48:15
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NS-2 s/n HR 92291 T47 T48 May '04 Came with two rubbers for BCB6
Encircled with 02 03
Stamp at bottom
DS-1 s/n NR 86700 T47 T48 July '04 Code near batt. screw
encircled with 02 03
Stamp at bottom
SD-1 s/n RR 95434 T48 T48 July '04 Code near batt.screw
encircled with 02 03
Stamp at bottom
Adaptor Socket at bottom
OD-3 s/n ER 50156 T47 T48 July'04 Code near batt. screw
encircled with 02 03
Stamp at bottom
OS-2 s/n RS 04590 T50 T50 Oct.'04 Code near batt. screw
encircled with 03 04
Stamp at bottom
DS-2 s/n PR 00439 T46 T46 Oct.'04 Code near batt.screw
encicled with 02 03
Stamp at bottom
TR-2 s/n FS 23626 T48 T50 Oct.'04 Code near batt. screw
encircled with 02 03
Stamp at bottom
BD-2 s/n MS 63836 T51 T51 Feb.05 Code near batt.screw
encircled with 04 05
OC-2 s/n ???? T45 T46 Second Hand Code near batt. screw
encircled with 02 03
Stamp at bottom
MIT, without label
[removed by previous
owner???]
FZ-2 s/n CI 60655 T21 ---- Second Hand
FZ-3 s/n ZJ 88124 T26 --- Second Hand
Okay let me post this before it goes up in space, later we can have a look what these codes mean in terms of date of production
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visserman
Platinum Member
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Posted - 10/28/2005 : 15:36:09
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Okay, again sorry for all the "broken-up" info and broken up table as well. I agree this does not add to easy reading.
So far it seems that the T numbers could relate to time. Both Fuzzpedals have much earlier T numbers than the other ones, which relates to what we know about the production of these pedals.
The encircled numbers could relate to the year, the highest encircled number has 04 05, and I bought this pedal in Feb. 05, so perhaps both numbers relate to years?
Although the pedals do cover a large period, most of them are more recent ones, and it is there that we can see a trend.
I am sure we could see a similar trend in the older ones as well but some of you would need to put up their codes from these pedals.
Just some more notes now about the labels:
On the CS-1 it still says: Use a coin to open battery.........ect. but the screw is already a plastic one. The label comes from the period of the silver screw pedals. Perhaps the silverscrew ones did coincide with the plastic ones: Both of them were produced at same time, so you could get a Silver screw CS-1 but also a plasic one, depending on which factory the pedal came from??
Later the wording on the label regarding this matter changed to: "Unscrew using your fingers to open battery compartment........."ect
The DC-3 seem to have a different text altoghether: "When replacing the battery, finger loosen/tighten the thumbscrew on the batterycover"
I am aware that I have included a lot of info in my posts, only included s/r numbers because I know some of you can read them. Have been able to quite precise with the moment when I did get the pedal which can give some clues about the date of production.
Overall we need a lot more info about the codes to come up withh conclusions.
My OC-2 without a label made me think about these codes and their relation to times of production.
Unfortunalely not many pedals from the mid 90s, but I am sure some of you will be very willing to put their codes here.
Cheers. |
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visserman
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Posted - 10/29/2005 : 13:17:13
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Request for all of you: Would you be so kind to post the codes inside your pedals, older or newer pedals, does not really matter, just post them and let us see what trends we can see from them.
Thanks |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/29/2005 : 13:48:05
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You may be on to something here. Perhaps it is possible to find out when the cast was made from these numbers. It took me a while to actually understand what you meant but I think I got it now. I got 60 pedals to look through so it might take me some time...
In alphabetical order:
Model: AC-2
serial: EQ35907
Lid code: T44 + encircled 02 and 03. The circles have 12 sections. Around the 02, sections 3-7 are dotted (using the clock to denote the circle sectors)
batt. compartment code: T45 + dots in grid square 7 & 8 (counting the first column as 1-6 and the second column as 7-12)
Model: AW-2
Serial: AF30703
Lid: T 06-K
batt: --
Model: BD-2
Serial: EL36437
Lid: T33
batt: T33 + empty grid
Model: BF-2
Serial: 9700 (ink stamped)
Lid: --
batt: --
Model: BF-3
Serial: ZP20135
Lid: T41 + encircled 01, 02. 01 dotted in sector 9 and 10.
batt: T42 + grid dotted in all squares
That was hard work. I'll do C tomorrow (maybe).
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visserman
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Posted - 10/29/2005 : 15:47:26
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Bossarea, thanks so far for what you have do, also glad that you understand my previous posts, as they are a little hard to read.
Your posting is a lot easier to read this may cause other users to follow your example.
You went even a step further to indicate how many circles there are, and also indicating the little dots in there as well. Great
Not sure how easy it would be for you to modify my post and model to your own example as it is a lot easier to read and understand.
Do not work to much with PC's so not too aware of the formatingtools we have here.
The table I made on paper looked clear, but the system seems to break the table down a little,................
Anyway I think once people have read your reply and then go back to my original posting things should get a little clearer!!
Okay let us now go to some of the facts you posted today:
We share a few pedals, and you can read different things from their codes:
AW-2
Yours: S/R AF 30703 Lid: T 06-K
Mine: S/R ZD 11566 Lid: T 09-K
Well only two pedals, but it is not not hard to see that the letter A of the S/R number is earlier in the alphabeth than the letter Z from my S/R number. This observance corresponds with that it says on the lid as well: Yours is a 6, mine has a 9. So your pedal could have be an earlier one.
Let us not to too much talking about results we can see from these codes, as we are only just beginning this research.
[Will post this now for fear of being logged out and losing post, some more later today.......]
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visserman
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Posted - 10/29/2005 : 15:57:39
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BF-3
Yours S/R ZP 20135 Lid: T 41 Batt. T42 encircled 02 03
Mine S/R ZP 87346 Lid: T 43 Batt. T43 encircled 02 03
Both our pedals share same letters in S/R number, your number is earlier. Your T numbers are earlier than mine and both have the encircled 02 03.
Well I bought the BF-3 in Oct. '02, Bossarea, when did you buy yours? Would be interesting to see how much time is in between those two pedals. Of course, we need to take into account the time pedals spend between being manufactured, shipped and sold to the actual customer. |
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visserman
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Posted - 10/29/2005 : 16:10:55
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BD-2
Yours: S/R EL 36437 Lid: T33 Batt. T33, no stamp or grid!!
Mine: S/R MS 63836 Lid:T51 Batt. T51 with the grid of six lines
Also mine has the encircled 04 05
Bought mine in Feb. 05, when did you get your Bossarea?
The type of coding in your BD-2 is very different: No encircled numbers, no grid at batt. compartment.
The code looks a bit like my Fuzzpedals: They have T numbers at the lid, but nothing at the batt. compartment.
As mentioned before too early to jump to conclusions, but it is interesting that from only two comparisions we can already seem some differences in the coding system.
May do some checking in shops today, or else later in the week.
This morning I received an EH-2 and that one has an entirely different coding as well. Will write it down later. Find this interesting because it is a pedal from the mid 90s, and most of my examples in my earlier posting do come from recent times or the late 80s with the exemption of the CS-1 which may be early 80s and the TW-1 which is probably late 70s.
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visserman
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Posted - 10/29/2005 : 16:18:24
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N.B for all people who do not understand my original posting:
Read first four posts like this:
PEDAL--TOP LID--BOTTOM LID--STATUS--ADDITIONAL REMARKS
whenever your see ---- it just means there is no number or grid or letter visible.
Sorry for not being able to make better tables on PC's at the moment.
Cheers. |
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pawnshop_trash
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Posted - 11/01/2005 : 07:12:40
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| thanks for the info and for your hard work, visserman! I'll add my info soon as time permits (most of my time lately has been trying to get an op-amp to work as an instrumentation amp for my day job -- see related thread in the 'mods' section).... |
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visserman
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Posted - 11/01/2005 : 15:43:24
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Cheers Pawnshop for the comments, well it is not really hard work for me, just a bit of fun, and I am surprised myself what kind of info you can read from those lids and what this means to the overal age of the pedal.
Bossarea, please check your BF-2 again, I am sure you will have a code in the lid. Checked mine today [no did not have time to write it down yet ] but yes there is a code there, hardly visible but it is there, look in the middle, and it is a similar one to the one I found in the HM-2 as those pedals probably come from the same period.
Will post my results a bit later.
Cheers |
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Dating Your Pedals from the Code Inside Metal Case
