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arcanon1313
Silver Member
USA
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 Posted - 06/13/2005 : 21:18:31
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| I've Seen about two BF-2's with black knobs{Three if you count mine} But i've not seen any metal screw BF-2's yet. |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
3652 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2005 : 21:34:40
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There's another unconfirmed theory. All Made in Japan BF-2s and CE-3s I've seen have black knobs while all Made in Taiwan models have black knobs with white tops.
Did the change come at the same time as the move to Taiwan? |
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boss freak
Gold Member
USA
663 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2005 : 23:20:17
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As far as the BF2 goes, I have two with silver screws. They both have black knobs.
I have one that's Taiwanese. It has the grey tipped knobs.
Hardly enough evidence to say whether this confirms the theory or not, but at least it's another example of your observation. I'd be curious to know if that theory actually is true though. It could make things a lot easier when shopping for bargains on MIJ Boss pedals.  |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2005 : 08:42:59
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| I�ll check the serial on my HM-2 tonight. |
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pedelar
Copper Member
46 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2005 : 09:38:49
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| i have a boss ce-2 with silver screw but has paper serial number no stamp..jhas no labl on it so i dont know if was a true silver screw |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
3652 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2005 : 11:05:11
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| It's hard to say. The OD-1 discussion indicated that the black screw was introduced before the 6 digit serial number (serial 0500 is the first with black screw). This may have differed between models so other pedals may have been shipped with silver screws and 6 digit serial. |
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boss freak
Gold Member
USA
663 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2005 : 13:13:49
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There are other ways to determine whether a pedal with silver screw is authentic. One thing is the jacks. On (I believe) all silver screw pedals, the threaded part of the jack doesn't extend as far past the nut as later pedals. The other, more commonly known feature is the line on the label which reads either "Unscrew using your fingers" or "Unscrew using a coin". If it makes a reference to using a coin, that's the silver screw.
Regarding serial numbers that are stamped, that's also a grey area, because of the numbers starting over once the batch number hits 9900. The next batch starts over at 0000 and continues up to 9900 again before recycling back to 0000.
Just FYI the black screws are not plastic, just a weaker metal that is painted black. |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
3652 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2005 : 13:47:47
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True 
I try to use the expressions Black or Silver screw for this reason but looking at my previous posts I see that I've slipped up several times already.
Another change made around the same time is the way the boxes are painted. Older pedals are painted on the underside as well. Not sure when they stopped doing this. |
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boss freak
Gold Member
USA
663 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2005 : 14:20:41
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Just a guess, but it could be that as the number of pedals produced started to escalate, they found it faster to put the boxes on a conveyor belt that went through a paint sprayer as opposed to the hand-sprayed method shown in the Boss Book. Total guess.  |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
3652 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2005 : 14:37:13
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Well, I hope not but we'll probably never know
There's some more pictures of the production here:
http://users.tinyonline.co.uk/plank/roland.html
There's nothing about the painting process but he says that the only automated process is the 4 bottom screws. |
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boss freak
Gold Member
USA
663 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2005 : 23:39:16
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| That's great! Thanks for posting the link. I'm certainly jealous of the person that got to take the factory tour! Wow! |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2005 : 07:31:18
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My HM-2 with the fake (?) silver metal screw withoutslot har serial 65-4500.
The treaded part is exactly of the same lenght as a regular black one, and it�s not clipped or filed.
A bit strange.... It has right angles (the blach has not that), looks a bit lika a fine-tuner screw on a Floyd Rose, bu t just a bit.
I don�t think this is original, really. Someone more than me and the other guy above must have seen it too in that case.
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
3652 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2005 : 10:45:54
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We will probably need detailed pictures to determine if your screws are in fact identical.
Without counting this screw there is at least 2 different silver screws and 3 different black screws. |
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boss freak
Gold Member
USA
663 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2005 : 11:22:52
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As many Boss pedals as I have, I honestly never even compared the black screws. I didn't think it was that important. Actually what I should say is that I *shouldn't* think it's important for my bank account's sake! I don't want to end up having silver screw, black screw type 1, type 2, etc. pedals in my collection!  |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
3652 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2005 : 13:12:48
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I wouldn't have known if it wasn't for the Boss book
There are different types of screws that holds the bottom plate, different battery clips and probably different colours on identical components on the PCB. If we're going for one copy of each we will eventually have to collect every pedal made. |
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