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VikingShip
Copper Member
USA
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 Posted - 11/27/2009 : 21:29:06
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Is anyone having problems creating the drum beats you hear in your head, in the dr880..
I do, i like fills that dont exist in the short or long fill selections and i need off beats that the quantize dont get right.
I also dont understand how to step record, it all looks like dots to me.  |
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nosi0
Gold Member
Netherlands
511 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2009 : 21:41:27
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I'm afraid i cannot help you as i don't have a drum machine but there a quite a few people around here that do so i'm sure they can help you. Welcoe to the forum's anyway
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
3652 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2009 : 22:29:45
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Hi VikingShip and welcome to the forum.
I used to have the same problem. I knew exactly what my break was supposed to sound like but couldn't make the drum machine play it.
I think step recording is the only way to get it perfectly right but it's very fiddly.
I ended up getting a drumset because I thought it would be much easier.
Turns out playing drums is harder than I thought  |
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VikingShip
Copper Member
USA
3 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2009 : 23:58:59
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I thought of selling my dr880 & getting a decent 3 piece, i just have no room for it...
i know you can speed up fills and cut and edit patterns but it isnt working out like I hoped , half the patterns in the 880 are useless for me.. so  off i go a'programming |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2009 : 01:51:29
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Hi VikingShip
Welcome to the forum from Australia.
Have you considered using a recording program that can output MIDI.
& drive the DR-880 via MIDI IN from the DAW? (Digital Audio Workstation).
There are many free ones on the net, there may even be a dedicated DR-880 programming interface.
I have used a few various VSTi plug-inns to drive my older TR-707,
to well beyond it's Matrix programming interface.
And also to compliment, the built in samples in the older drum machines as well.
Many people forget to consider the possibilities that are available via MIDI.
I sometimes feel that MIDI is going the way of the Dinosaurs.
Or as Guitarists, we tend to not be that technically up to date with
with the intricacies of MIDI.
Regards Dr. Bob  |
Edited by - Dr. Bob on 11/28/2009 02:01:20 |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2009 : 14:35:33
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chrissydamage
Silver Member
United Kingdom
180 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2009 : 16:51:46
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Hey there welcome to the forum-
Its time to banish these fears of step programming- its the only way to go and if its the only machine you have you need to grasp this concept-
I've not used that particular machine but all drum machines are pretty similar-
Its just like dividing a measure into numbers ie for 4/4 a measure could be broken into 1.1/1.2/1.3/1.4/1.5....1.16
Start by selecting one of the user patterns (start with the first one for ease) and wipe it- add your kicks for example put kicks on 1.1/1.5/1.9/1.12
Then save it to pattern number 2, and add some hi hats on 1.3/1.7 etc
Copy it again, save it to 3, add the snares.... when you get a full beat built up you can extend the length to 16 bars and it should copy all the drums to fill the pattern- then you can add different fills
Ie take one pattern, copy it 5 times, add 5 different fills to each one-
Its all about clever use of the copy and write function that will save you lots of time in editing......
Just make sure that all your user patterns are all arranged in a logical order and occupy adjacent patch numbers- write down on a piece of paper what all your patterns are- then go into song mode and using step record link all your patterns together in the same way you made the beat and there you have a song-
Once you've achieved that you will realise how time consuming it is, and how MIDI can make this a lot easier for you. All of those drums need timing/velocities/panning etc and programming them manually by hand takes forever- investing in a sequencer will facilitate the whole process by giving you a graphical interface and you can do it all with mouse clicks and a bit of Ctrl A/C/V bashing-
After you have a sequencer investing in a sampler will give you another tool to tackle the problem and will open up some much more advanced editing options like layering, timestretching, ADSR and dual tempos for example that can generate grooves that are just not possible on a drum machine- I couldn't survive without mine, best thing I ever bought :
Good luck and I hope this makes some sense!! |
Edited by - chrissydamage on 11/28/2009 16:52:09 |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2009 : 16:48:25
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At least your drum machine won't disappear at the minute it thinks it's finished even if the take isn't great because the timing is out or the drums sound crap.... part of the reason we had to stop recording is because our drummer is a partime arsehole that thinks every thing revolves around him,money and booze....and if there is no dough in it for him in recording,it doesn't happen....i have an old Alesis SR-16 that is actually pretty decent still so two of us are going to make a start again soon hopefully.... |
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The_Doc
Gold Member
United Kingdom
509 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2009 : 19:15:11
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At least your drum machine won't disappear at the minute it thinks it's finished even if the take isn't great because the timing is out or the drums sound crap.... part of the reason we had to stop recording is because our drummer is a partime arsehole that thinks every thing revolves around him,money and booze....and if there is no dough in it for him in recording,it doesn't happen....
Franzoni - mate...I so wish I could lend you our drummer! He's known to us as 'Moon' and he just can't get enough of this drumming lark - the last time we recorded we spent ages mic'ing up a particular cymbal for just one roll at the end of a song  Another night he appeared with a new cymbal that had holes and rivets in it, which he had bought in New York on holiday because "..it will sound good for grunge..." but there is no grunge in our set at the moment - the cymbal will be going on ebay soon I suspect..! I think we struck lucky with ours - he's certainly one of the best to play with and a gem of a bloke. 
Back to topic - I gave up with the newer drum machines (far too complex and small for my busted up eyes!) and still use an old Casio RZ-1 as a midi input to my DAW. I then use the recorded midi pattern to trigger software samples (eg. Kontakt) or my Alesis D4. That way, I can do all the editing on a sensible sized screen and see what's going on. That alternative seems to work ok for me.
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