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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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 Posted - 06/21/2007 : 20:44:49
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I use my cs3 as a clean boost...i put my name down for a analogman bi compressor as well ...don't get me wrong the cs3 is great but i thought i'd try the analogman one and if i don't like it i'm sure i would have no problem selling it on...personally i don't like limiters or noisegates 'cause i like some feedback and sustain from the amp from time to time,i agree with some of the other posters,valve amps have natural compression,my '62 selmer stadium has a valve rectifer and you really notice the difference between it and my later valve amps with a solid state rectifer...i actually bought a seymour duncan twin tube to replace my ds1/od2 combo because i wanted my overdrive to kick it up a notch when in use and i've noticed a big difference with my sound,their is a serious amount of gain and compression/sustain with this pedal...i still sometimes use the cs3 and the twin tube at the same time with the rythmn channel on the twin tube and it sounds killer to me...and with the lead channel it's just mad.... .....in a good way...dave gilmour has been known to use two compressors at the same time,the mxr dynacomp and the cs2.......
Q....How do you get a guitar player to turn down...?
A...Put a sheet of music in front of them.....!!.... |
Edited by - FRANZONI on 06/21/2007 20:53:01 |
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zestystrat
Silver Member
USA
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Posted - 06/21/2007 : 20:54:03
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Oldest joke in the world...but still a good one. 
I think you'll like the bi-comp the OS side is awesome for clean lead stuff.
It was a long wait to get one (no idea on how long to get one now)but it was worth it. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2007 : 21:05:24
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I emailed analog mike,he reckons about a year..... i'll probably order the bi chorus at the weekend he said he could have it made and shipped in a few days so not a big problem.. ...i decided to go for the bi comp on what i've read about it and on recommendations from people like yourself zestystrat.....(i'm assuming with the name your a fellow stratcat)i think compressors work best with single coil guitars,i have only one humbucking guitar thats my yamaha sg 2000s but i seldom use it on gigs anymore..... |
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zestystrat
Silver Member
USA
283 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2007 : 15:54:54
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Got my profile for a link to my bands EP. Most if not all of the gtr was recorded with the bi-comp (stuff was added later too).
Honestly I think I had it on a little too much since I just got it right before the recording. Still, most if not all of the gtr work was 1st or 2nd takes recorded live so that was the trade off (live energy vs. overdub w/ better sound and less energy).
BTW I'm actually a G&L Legacy Special guy - as good as a custom shop strat IMO.
Edit: for a link go to my profile and that will take you to the band's myspace page. There are better quality mp3's on the site.
Long story short, I'd prefer not to post the band's name/website because it then shows up on a google search. |
Edited by - zestystrat on 06/25/2007 21:13:07 |
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pawnshop_trash
Gold Member
USA
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Posted - 06/22/2007 : 19:57:06
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Originally posted by zestystrat
As someone who plays a 30+ year old tube amp with compression in front of it, it is not redundant - for clean or dirty.
sorry about that! I should have used less definitive language, such as "might make a compression pedal redundant." I certainly did not intend to speak for all guitar players, just myself.
FWIW, personally I've only known one guitarist who regularly used a compression pedal in their chain for any length of time. but shortly thereafter, he ditched it to plug straight into his Marshall. (then again, most of the guitarists I've known played metal or hardcore punk rock using high-gain amps.) |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2007 : 23:49:08
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Compression is as zestystrat said a very subtle effect and i suppose it's not for everyone as we all have our own taste in music,i play mostly covers at the moment but we have about five orginals in the set and a few more in the pipeline(not bad for a bunch of thirty somethings...!!)so we cover a wide range of music....reggae,blues,rock,irish,rock n roll,country,americana,a little bit of jazz/fusion(when were jamming)sometimes a little bit of the blues brothers or james brown,but as we don't have a keyboard player or brass section we are limited with what songs we can do...anyway the point i'm trying to make is i use my compressor for all of this stuff as it can give a little boost to the cleaner rythmn/lead guitar sounds that some of these songs call for...i don't think metal or punk musicians would need this effect as a lot of the time they use guitars with humbuckers and a lot of metal these days goes for that 'v' shaped scooped sound(if you know what i mean)which i don't think a compressor would be any use for as it would compete with some of the frequencys that would be going on...ie...as far as i understand it,compression pulls the higher and lower bandwith notes together so it would defeat the purpose for this sound....i'm not knocking this type of music,i love some of the players and the sound they get..it's just not my thing anymore..
zestystrat....cool guitar bro'...i checked out your link...the clips sound great keep up the good work...
B.T.W ....as your probably aware G&L was started by leo fender so your right about the quality,i have a musicman amp i still use on every gig(also made by leo)and it sounds great..it's a real all rounder for most styles of music....i compared it to a silverface fender twin of the same era once and it blew it out of the water..it was like there was a blanket over the fender... |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 06/24/2007 : 05:46:54
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quote:
Originally posted by FRANZONI
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Q....How do you get a guitar player to turn down...?
A...Put a sheet of music in front of them.....!!....
Hi Franzoni & Guys
Here are a couple more:
Q: What is a gentleman ?
A: Someone who knows how to play Heavy Metal Music but doesn't.
Q: What is perfect pitch?
A: When guitar doesn't hit the side of the dumpster.
Regards Dr. Bob 
Sorry if I stole the thread.
Where is the Link to zestystrat? I did not see it BELOW in his posting.
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2007 : 10:19:09
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Hey Dr Bob..nice to see you back...i'll send you a pm later...it's breakfast time here for all us franzoni's so i have to be quick....
i just clicked on zestystrats name and then the link to his homepage.....i assume the music is him with his band...but i know what you mean i thought he was going to post a link to some clips of his stuff here......
this is my last bad music related joke ...i promise...!!
Q...whats the difference between...A/...a violin...B/..a guitar...and C/..a double bass
A..... the double bass takes longest to burn...........
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2007 : 17:30:44
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controlfreak
Silver Member
Ireland
337 Posts |
Posted - 06/25/2007 : 15:09:42
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would there be a difference using compression in the studio as to using it live?
i'd imagine that the subtlies of your playing would come across really well in studio but would this be lost when playin a gig in a club where the volume would already be fairly high.
and why do compressors have that plunk sound? (sorry for the technical term there!) |
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zestystrat
Silver Member
USA
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Posted - 06/25/2007 : 15:52:30
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Dr. Bob - just head over to my profile and you�ll find a link to my band. I was going to post an HTML link but I couldn�t do it w/o putting the band�s name in there (see above for my reasoning on that). I guess I only half edited the post. And yes, that�s me on the gtr.
Franzoni � thx for the props, it�s mostly live and first or second takes so it�s really a little choppy at times.
Yes very aware of the Leo � G&L connection. I love their stuff.
Sorry for hijacking this thread.
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visserman
Platinum Member
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Posted - 06/27/2007 : 17:26:48
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Does One Need Compression?
If you have never played with one you do not know what you are missing.
Once you get one you may wounder what the heck it does to your sound.
Once you get used to them you do not want to play without anymore. Why? It tightens up your sound, brightens up everything a little and your overal sound has become a bit better [some may say a little more "HiFi"]
I guess the whole issue is down to personal taste and the kind of compr. you use.
I do like the CS1, have not heard the CS2 and the CS3 is a supercompr. which can change your sound totally.
I tend to use the Apex a lot, that model has been mentioned before by people here. Tend to use use a little compr. and the volume on the unit is about the same as my straight sound from the amp. Overal it brightens up things a little and is just nice.
When you use effects all the time it may sometimes be great to play "naked" and you know what is missing, or what it feels like. There are some effects you can use all the time and compr. is certainly one of them, same goes for exhiters and boosters.
Does it matter what style or amp you play? Well I guess we are all after a good tone, and that is universal so style or amp or whatever does not really matter that much. |
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zestystrat
Silver Member
USA
283 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2007 : 16:21:23
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Originally posted by controlfreak
would there be a difference using compression in the studio as to using it live?
i'd imagine that the subtlies of your playing would come across really well in studio but would this be lost when playin a gig in a club where the volume would already be fairly high.
I think it's up to your ears to decide. But I think you use them for different reasons in both situations, but there is some overlap.
By the time you are done mastering, comp is used on everything in the studio. In the mixing stages too�.
I�m by no means an expert but I used my comp pedal on my trax and then it was used in the mixing stage to get a cohesive sound with the rest of the trax and then in the mastering stage comp was applied on the whole track. Again, it�s subtle, but it does make a difference.
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 06/29/2007 : 16:36:43
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Hi Zestystrat & Guys
Nice summary,
of the topic to date.
Regards Dr. Bob |
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Do I Need Compression?
