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hateandwar
Gold Member
Australia
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 Posted - 01/16/2010 : 04:38:47
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Hey there guys.
Before we start, i must inform you that i am a stereo noob, and have never done it before, and it confuses me alot, so i need help.
The other day i got my little Fender Frontman 15w back from my mate.
So i decided to grab my DC-2 and split the signal to my Fender and my Randall. It sounded amazing! Even for a lil' amp 
So now, i want to set up a few more pedals into stereo.
My DC-2, PS-5, RV-3, DM-3 (is this possible?), and my RE-20.
Im extremley confused because they all have output jacks to stereo, but no input? I feel very dumb and confused, but i need some much needed help, it will be much appreciated!
Cheers, Jake |
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verivorax
Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 01/16/2010 : 04:57:08
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Running multiple amps is fun, but be warned, you might find yourself picking up a bunch of small amps to spread around the room..  The DC-2 is one of the great wonders of the pedal world. 
For your chain, I would suggest..
guitar--> PS-5 -->DM-3 --> RV-3--> DC-2 stereo====>> RE-20 stereo to two amps
My rationale is.. the PS-5 is tracking and wants the best signal.. are you intent on splitting the pitch-shifted signal away from the dry?
You also may as well use the stereo-ins on the RE-20, so it goes right before the amp. I suppose you could swap the delay and reverb according to taste. The next step is to get another amp, and run the dry/effect out of the DM-3. You could sum it with the "Effected out" (usually output A) of the PS-5, or run a fourth amp..
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hateandwar
Gold Member
Australia
524 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2010 : 05:01:31
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| Hmm you have given me much to think about ! thanks alot mate |
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natthu
Gold Member
Australia
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Posted - 01/16/2010 : 08:21:13
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Hey Jake, Welcome to the awesome world of stereo...
So have you been using the DC-2 in mono up to this point? Shame on you!
The thing with stereo is that you really only need one pedal to make your sound stereo. The DC-2 is brilliant for that. It gives you a great dimensional spatial separation (hence the name) without being too crazy.
You'll find that pedals which are more likely to go near the end of the chain are also more likely to be stereo in and out. The idea is that you take you guitar signal, distort it or whatever, then stereo image it some how (DC-2 is good) then use pedals which work as dual mono (DD-7, RV-5, PN-2 etc) to retain the stereo image while still adding new effects. Most stereo in/out pedals will also work to "stereo" a signal from mono. DD-7 can ping and the PN-2 can pan (very cool). I don't have an RV-5 but I assume it works like an RV-3 when the input is mono only (gives a spatial feel?)
It's been a while since I've owned one but I'm pretty sure that the PS-5 isn't stereo as such (in most modes at least), it just splits different effects to different outs. This can be vey useful, say if you wanted to have chorus but only on an octave up effect, but not on the dry signal or an octave down (chorus tends to turn into a hideous warble down low - this is why bass chorus's sometimes have a low filter). In cases like this you can use a mixer to bring several signals back to one.
Sometimes it's fun to put different effect altogether in each side (left/right) of your chain. I sometimes use an XT-2 on left and an MT-2 on right then set them to a similarish sound... just makes the distortion a little more interesting and full.
Another thing some people like to do is use a PN-2 in pan mode then effect one side with say a phaser and the other side with a flanger so that the net result is a sound that's cyclicly swinging between the two effects.
If you really want to get into stereo I'd recommend a mixer of some sort, it expands your possiblities a lot. DeFrag has talked about that sort of thing in detail before, so I won't repeat awhat he's said (should be able to find it in search). Mixers are cool too because they allow you to do stuff like run a heap of different distortions in parallel. That's what I've been doing with all those distortion pedals I got from you. Although they are all similar, you get a slightly different sound from each which can give you a massive wall of sound... awesomely heavy and very full.
You look like a rockin' sort of chap, that sound might suit you  |
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PaulH
Gold Member
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Posted - 01/16/2010 : 10:21:44
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If the pedal has mono in > stereo out.
Then that's how you'll have to use it.
Just decide which you want in stereo.
The only alternative is to use pedals with stereo in/out.
However, you could split the chain early and then have different effects on each branch.
Each branch could then end with a pedal having stereo out... thus you're going to need even more amps!
But, you'll then need a mixer to bring it all back to two channels. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 20:58:21
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As you probably know i used to run a stereo rig for years... Danger will robinson...!!!! well not danger but running stereo can be highly addictive and lead the rest of your band to think your nuts carting two amps around to every gig.... i went to a semi wet/dry/wet setup...i.e ..i run the main amp dryish(i still have my DD-3's,CE-2 and TR-2 on the main board) with the stereo stuff... reverb,some delays and a rotary speaker simulator unit in stereo from the rack and stereo power amp coming out of those little 1x12's i built...sounds amazing... .i think the guys have covered all the bases on the in's and outs of it..i think verivorax's suggestion is probably the simplest and and most easy to do....i also thought of going down the mixer route but it's just one more thing to setup and some of the gigs are too small for all the gear.last saturday nights gig i just used the marshall head and cab and the regular pedalboard..i missed the wet side of the rig and so did the other guys...it really fills out the sound....enjoy....
P.S i tried running one of my DD-3's in stereo at the end of the chain before i got the rack (i had replaced my CH-1 with a CE-2 and needed a stereo pedal at the end of the chain) and to be honest i didn't like it as much as when i had the chorus there..the DD-3 is a fine delay pedal but in stereo it gives the impression the there is a volume drop and when you turn it back off like there is a huge volume spike... i found it very hard to balance the two amps with the DD-3.... |
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aaronharmon
Silver Member
USA
271 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2010 : 21:17:16
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| I have thought about effecting the L/R signals differently. For example, running separate (very different) eq's on both channels or possibly even slightly different distortions. I have been thinking about playing with this for a while and in fact just ordered some more cables |
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Pedal Dan
Silver Member
USA
419 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2010 : 23:19:53
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Originally posted by aaronharmon
I have thought about effecting the L/R signals differently. For example, running separate (very different) eq's on both channels or possibly even slightly different distortions. I have been thinking about playing with this for a while and in fact just ordered some more cables
Wow that sounds cool Aaron! But like Franzoni says be careful. I once plugged my H+K Tube Rotosphere in stereo, and it was like an LSD trip! |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 00:57:19
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Originally posted by Pedal Dan
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Originally posted by aaronharmon
I have thought about effecting the L/R signals differently. For example, running separate (very different) eq's on both channels or possibly even slightly different distortions. I have been thinking about playing with this for a while and in fact just ordered some more cables
Wow that sounds cool Aaron! But like Franzoni says be careful. I once plugged my H+K Tube Rotosphere in stereo, and it was like an LSD trip!
I have a Dynacord CLS-22 rotary speaker unit in my rack..it has a super stereo mode..i have it in the stereo effects loop of the pod and mix in some big reverb or a bit of delay with it to give the feeling of space..instant Gilmour/DSOTM tones or SRV and 'Cold Shot'......i know exactly what you mean about the rotosphere.......i bulit a rack and two 1 x 12 cabs and haul this around from gig to gig with the rest of my rig because i have become addicted to the spread of sound i can get..even running the reverb and keeping your main amp dry is an amazing sound..the reverb never seems to get in the way it does sometimes with running it through your main amp..... |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 01/19/2010 : 01:19:43
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Originally posted by Pedal Dan
I have thought about effecting the L/R signals differently. For example, running separate (very different) eq's on both channels or possibly even slightly different distortions. I have been thinking about playing with this for a while and in fact just ordered some more cables
Or, use two identical pedals in each chain - I used a CE-5 in mono in each stereo leg for the longest time (two pedals, each one mono, with settings close, but not identical)... Sounded great, kinda like a DC-2 with stereo in as well as out. |
Edited by - Laurie on 01/19/2010 01:20:28 |
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aaronharmon
Silver Member
USA
271 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2010 : 02:05:49
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Originally posted by Laurie
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Originally posted by Pedal Dan
I have thought about effecting the L/R signals differently. For example, running separate (very different) eq's on both channels or possibly even slightly different distortions. I have been thinking about playing with this for a while and in fact just ordered some more cables
Or, use two identical pedals in each chain - I used a CE-5 in mono in each stereo leg for the longest time (two pedals, each one mono, with settings close, but not identical)... Sounded great, kinda like a DC-2 with stereo in as well as out.
I don't have two identical pedals... Anyone want to send me two DM-2's
That does sound cool though. I have a DC-3 and a CE-20 both of which have stereo ins/outs. I could run all for outputs to my BR-1600. I could probably come up with some unique sounds like that. I could put a RE-20 on one leg and a DD-20 on another. |
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Pedal Dan
Silver Member
USA
419 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2010 : 23:23:47
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I saw the PN-2 come up a couple of times on these threads, so I decided to give it another try. I got it back in the 90's and just used the trem, no stereo pan. So I hooked it up today in stereo after my PX4 and pedals and all I can say is Holys**t! Very spacey and atmospheric! I'm playing thru headphones so it adds dimention. I"ll have to try it thru 2 amps! Cool pedal!   |
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aaronharmon
Silver Member
USA
271 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2010 : 01:04:02
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Originally posted by Pedal Dan
I saw the PN-2 come up a couple of times on these threads, so I decided to give it another try. I got it back in the 90's and just used the trem, no stereo pan. So I hooked it up today in stereo after my PX4 and pedals and all I can say is Holys**t! Very spacey and atmospheric! I'm playing thru headphones so it adds dimention. I"ll have to try it thru 2 amps! Cool pedal!
I have a PN-2 also. Very cool pedal. I just got mine a few days ago, but I really like it. The SL-20 has some pretty killer panning effects as well. |
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Help! Setting pedals up in stereo.
