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jackderringer
Silver Member
USA
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 Posted - 01/19/2010 : 21:17:41
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about a year ago i bought a used 2x12 cabinet made locally. there's no name on it, no model, no info at all. it was sold to me as a bass cab but i'm really not sure the guys at music-go-round know what they're talking about half the time.
i opened it up and got the serials from the speakers, and emailed eminence for the t/s specs. what i'd like to know most is power handling and whether this is more suited for guitar or bass as i'd like to sell it to fund some other gear.
if i post the specs, can anyone decipher it into something useful to me?  |
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nosi0
Gold Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 01/19/2010 : 21:26:36
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Well if you give us a full frequency analysis 
But the fact that its a 12 inch speaker is already suggesting that it's a guitar speaker and not a bass speaker as bass speakers are nearly always 10 or 15 inch. Some bass speakers are 12 inch coaxial although i doubt thats what you have. If you want to check just look at the speaker and if you don't see a normal cone but another mini speaker mounted on the cone then it might be coaxial which means its likly a bass speaker. Is this an older cab or made in the last few years? I'm assuming because you e-mailed eminence that it says eminence on the speakers? |
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jackderringer
Silver Member
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 03:30:29
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good point on the 12 inchyness...
not quite sure what you mean about how the cones look, they look like regular speakers to me:
they don't carry an eminence label, but i figured it out from the serial #. i don't know when the cab itself was built, but the speakers were manufactured in january 1995. any theories or just curious about the build date? |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 03:36:17
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| Need some photos of the magnets and most importantly the labels on the back of the drivers please. |
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jackderringer
Silver Member
USA
153 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 04:40:18
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the cab is at my in-law's right now so i can't get pics of the mags, what in particular are you looking for? there's no big round sticker on the back, just a small white rectangular label on the side of the mag. however i did write down everything printed on the labels before writing eminence.
the various numbers are:
12LS16 <--not sure what this is, but i'm guessing it has something to do with it being 12" and 16ohm
121234 <--spec number (this is what eminence used to find the t/s for me)
67-95030148 <--manufacturing/date number and serial
67-95030189 <--other one
G1 <--"metal group" according to eminence site...??? |
Edited by - jackderringer on 01/20/2010 04:42:49 |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 04:45:49
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Ah! OK... that's what I was looking for from the labels. Doesn't help much 
The pics of the magnets will give us some idea of power handling... as a rule of thumb tiny magnets = low power (maybe as low as 20W), huge magnets = high power (maybe as high as 200W).
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MervsMods
Bronze Member
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 04:58:31
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That looks like an old Crate 212 cabinet when they went through the "carpet phase" late 80's, early 90's I believe.
If that's the case, then the speakers are from eminence, and I'd bet it's a 200W cab
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jackderringer
Silver Member
USA
153 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 05:02:20
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looks like i overlooked a key word in their reply:
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from Eminence email
This is an OEM custom designed guitar speaker that we manufactured for our customer. We do not rate OEM speakers, but a conservative thermal rating based on the 1.75" voice coil diameter would be about 75 watts.
so MGR passed a guitar cab off to me as a bass cab. it never sounded weird when i played it, but then again i never cranked my amp past 2 or 3 with it. one question answered.
which leaves us with the question of power handling, and the conservative estimate of 75 watts. it'd actually be easier for me to just measure the magnet than get a pic, would dimensions give you a decent enough idea? |
Edited by - jackderringer on 01/20/2010 05:02:53 |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 05:07:44
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Hmmm... prefer a pic.
If it was me, I'd accept the Eminence assessment and call it a 150W cabinet. Assuming both speakers are 16 Ohm, I'd use it as an 8 Ohm cab for a guitar amp up to about 100W. I woudln't use it for bass at all - the cone excursion caused by bass could easily damage the driver at any volume.
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jackderringer
Silver Member
USA
153 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 05:19:42
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Originally posted by MervsMods
That looks like an old Crate 212 cabinet when they went through the "carpet phase" late 80's, early 90's I believe.
If that's the case, then the speakers are from eminence, and I'd bet it's a 200W cab
where was the crate nameplate on the cabs you're talking about? because the grill on this one was folded down and has a blank spot where it looks like the brand name used to be. is this consistent with the crate cab you're referring to?
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MervsMods
Bronze Member
USA
133 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 05:54:15
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I've not seen that grill before. That MUST have been done locally. The original grill was the standard grill cloth and the crate emblem was in the lower right hand corner. If you tilt it 90 degrees, where that cutout is for the logo would be the correct spot for the crate emblem
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jackderringer
Silver Member
USA
153 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 07:28:53
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well i spray painted the grill green, but that's definitely the grill that was on there when i bought it.
so you're saying that the grill is not consistent with crate, but the spot reserved for a logo is?
what about the corners? they're this piece
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=262-834 |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 09:35:56
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I have a Musicman 130HD 2x12 combo from the early 70's..i always assumed that it was a guitar combo because of the 2x12's in it..i was over on the Musicman forum a couple of years ago where i came acros a thread about the 'HD' part of the logo...according to some people over there it means Heavy Duty..or that it can can double as a bass amp...the speakers it it have Musicman stickers on them but according to those folks are made originally by eminence..they have what i can only describe as like a big horse shoe around the magnet on the back and the amp is one heavy #@&%~/##..a few bass players have played through it over the years at low levels on a jam session and commented on the sound ..so 12"s can be used for bass.... |
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silvertone6120
Gold Member
USA
609 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 16:18:36
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You can use any sized speaker for bass...as long as you don't turn it up too loud!
And this thread has reminded me of one very important thing; as bad as Guitar Center can be, stay away from Music-Go-Round!  |
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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
1309 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 16:52:07
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I've been playing with a 2x12 bass cab for 4 years now, and I love it.
I like the rounder tone of a 12" over a 10" but it still sounds good close by, whereas a 15" usually has a long throw into the audience.
I have an Avatar cab which began it's life as a stock 500 watt, 4 ohm B212 neo, with Eminence speakers, a crossover and a Fostex tweeter horn.
However, since I also have an 8 ohm Gallien-Krueger 2x10 and my amp won't go lower than 4 ohms, I decided to swap out the speakers to make an 8 ohm cab.
I couldn't get those same Eminence speakers in 4 ohms anywhere, so instead I bought a similar pair of Celestion neo's.
I also got rid of the tweeter and the crossover since I never use it, I don't like the sound of it, especially with some distortion.
That's sounds horrible through a horn.
So now I have an 8 ohm, 600 watt 2x12 with Celestions and it sounds sweet.  These Celestions go even deeper and louder since they're 100dB speakers opposed to the 97dB Eminences. |
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jackderringer
Silver Member
USA
153 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2010 : 00:51:34
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Originally posted by silvertone6120
And this thread has reminded me of one very important thing; as bad as Guitar Center can be, stay away from Music-Go-Round!
no joke! i have scored a couple nice things there in the past, but it's kinda like going to a garage sale: never expect to find anything nice, just keep your eyes peeled for that great deal! |
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anyone know a thing or two about speakers?
