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Mansun
Gold Member
Spain
564 Posts |
 Posted - 10/27/2009 : 01:21:13
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Hi there, guys.
I've been looking for a new guitar for ages and, as my first gig approaches, I think it's time to get it. In my band I'm the rythmn guitarist but I also do some killer riffs, my main thing are fifths though.
Today I saw an offer, an Ibanez RG470 BP, for 470 EUR (+/-760 USD, +/-435 GBP, +/-765 AUD... you get the idea), when it was an expensive 727 EUR before. I think they're not producing that model anymore, and that's why they cut the price a 35%.
I don't know how versatile this guitar is, but all the demos I saw on youtube were by metal players, and that's definitely not my thing. What do you think? Tomorrow I'll carry my pedals to the store and give it a try.
Probably the best option for my playing could be a Fender Telecaster Highway one, and they only cost 150 EUR more... Which I'd like to save for an amp.
What do you guys think? |
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DasBeef
Gold Member
United Kingdom
704 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2009 : 01:31:45
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| In my experience, the best thing I can recommend is trying as much things out as possible. If you go into a guitar shop and indicate that you are looking to buy, then they'll let you try out anything. You'll soon find what fits your sound. And always, always buy the guitar you played. Not the same model from the stock room, but the actual one you had in your hand. |
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Mansun
Gold Member
Spain
564 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2009 : 01:41:12
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| Thanks a lot, Dasbeef... I never thought of it as one always asks for the one never tasted by anyone before, in box, etc. I'll let you know what I do tomorrow (in a few hours, actually), and I'll also try the tele, just to see what fits me better. |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2009 : 01:49:55
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Hi Mansun!
I've always found Srats to be pretty versatile. Another one to consider is possibly a PRS SE.
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Mansun
Gold Member
Spain
564 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2009 : 02:42:10
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Hi, Laurie!
I've been playing a fake Strato for ten years now and I grew a disgust towards them inside me. I played a Yamaha Pac�fica in our last rehearsal and it was a completely different story (no feedback, that's a start), but I'd like to escape from Stratos (and black guitars: if I buy a tele, it can't be sunburst -hate them- nor black -the counterfeit I play is a black Strato-).
On the other hand, the PRS you talk about looks good, but it's much more expensive, almost double, than the Ibanez I talked about.
Thanks! |
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DasBeef
Gold Member
United Kingdom
704 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2009 : 03:05:07
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I'd agree with Laurie....kind of. For the money you're talking about, I'd be trying out some Strat's and Tele's. A good Mexican Strat or Tele is a really versatile guitar. More so Strat's of course. But take heed of my first response. Try them out, and if you find one you like, buy the exact guitar you had in your hand.
I'd also recommend looking into the second hand market. Sometimes a guitar with a few years of play on it will feel really nice. My current 'main' guitar is a USA Strat that is battered and shabby. I bought for �120 about ten years ago. It's from the early eighties, but sounds awesome. If I'm honest, I have other guitars that feel, and play better, but because of the shabby-ness, I'm not afraid to really dig in and rock this one out, and as I said it sounds great. The second hand market is an obvious way to pick up a better quality guitar at a more affordable price. But again, really try it out. You'll know when you find the guitar that clicks for you. |
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kelmaur
Gold Member
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2009 : 07:58:54
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| one word..one guitar IBANEZ..just my opinion though |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2009 : 10:20:46
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The Squier �Vintage Vibe� are great guitars, much better IMO than Fender Highway, and cheaper. Standard and Affinity Squiers are not near Vintage Vibes.
I would certainly go for single coils if you�re not (as said) a metal player.
If you have more money go for the Mexican Road Worn series, they are also great. Or a second hand strat or tele, MIM, MIJ or MIA.
I like Fenders  |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2009 : 12:00:53
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You could also shop/look around for a re-issue 72 Tele Deluxe...unfortunately these are mostly in black with a maple neck(i know you do't want another black guitar) but there are a few sunbursts and naturals as well out there. different pickup option to an normal Tele with the two humbuckers but a cool sound...i was playing at a party on a double header bill with another band last night and their rhythm player was using a Mex re-issue one...nice guitar.... ......
P.S ...i also like Fenders.... don't forget there are re-issues of jazzmasters and jaguars as well out there for something really different...Ibanez are more shred/metal/fusion type guitars so if that doesn't float your boat.....personally i find the Strat the best all rounder..... |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2009 : 12:40:56
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| no noe has asked this but what kind of music are you playing? |
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Erik dP
Silver Member
Sweden
150 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2009 : 14:07:39
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I use the Line 6 Variax 500. After getting the Variax I hardly ever use my Les Paul or the PRS anymore dispite that the PRS I have is considered to one of the best models ever made by PRS (according to the editor of the three big British guitar mags).
The discontinued Variax 500 seems to be the best deal. It has the same electronics as the Variax 700, but seems to be cheaper second hand than the Variax 600 which shares the same electronics as the cheaper Variax 300. I actually bought three Variax 500 cheap second hand.
I have tested the sounds against a Les Paul Custom, Strat, ES-Gibson, and the sounds are identical (I don't remember any difference to the worse on the Variax). The acoustic sounds are convincing through a full range PA. Sitar, Dobro and banjo are fun. The sounds can be further tuned with a computer. I now have bass-guitar, Bass-guitar on the E and A string + normal on the lighter ones, and open G tunings.
The good thing is that I can find out what kind of guitar sound I prefer. In the beginning I only used the Les Paul sounds as I am familiar with them. Now I only use the Strat "middle + bridge" setting. Single coils are usually too noisy for me, so I never bothered to explore the Fender, but there is no noise on the Variax.
I guess that it might LOOK wrong if a garage band use a computer-guitar instead of a respectable brand like Gibson around their neck. Think Curt Cobain with a Variax. (Well, nowadays someone has turned him into a muppet for a computer-game playing covers.) |
Edited by - Erik dP on 10/27/2009 14:24:32 |
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Witloofboer
Gold Member
Belgium
513 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2009 : 14:16:43
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I like Strats, they are indeed very versatile. G&L Tribute Series Strats are good strats at a reasonable price.
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Originally posted by Goran
If you have more money go for the Mexican Road Worn series, they are also great.
Review please!  |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2009 : 14:52:13
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Originally posted by Erik dP
I use the Line 6 Variax 500. After getting the Variax I hardly ever use my Les Paul or the PRS anymore dispite that the PRS I have is considered to one of the best models ever made by PRS (according to the editor of the three big British guitar mags).
The discontinued Variax 500 seems to be the best deal. It has the same electronics as the Variax 700, but seems to be cheaper second hand than the Variax 600 which shares the same electronics as the cheaper Variax 300. I actually bought three Variax 500 cheap second hand.
I have tested the sounds against a Les Paul Custom, Strat, ES-Gibson, and the sounds are identical (I don't remember any difference to the worse on the Variax). The acoustic sounds are convincing through a full range PA. Sitar, Dobro and banjo are fun. The sounds can be further tuned with a computer. I now have bass-guitar, Bass-guitar on the E and A string + normal on the lighter ones, and open G tunings.
The good thing is that I can find out what kind of guitar sound I prefer. In the beginning I only used the Les Paul sounds as I am familiar with them. Now I only use the Strat "middle + bridge" setting. Single coils are usually too noisy for me, so I never bothered to explore the Fender, but there is no noise on the Variax.
I guess that it might LOOK wrong if a garage band use a computer-guitar instead of a respectable brand like Gibson around their neck. Think Curt Cobain with a Variax. (Well, nowadays someone has turned him into a muppet for a computer-game playing covers.)
I have had a Variax 500 for a year or so, never liked them at all. Maybe they sound like the supposed guitar but it certainly had a very different feel, way to compressed and no dynamics.
I felt very uncomfortable with the Variax, I prefer the originals way over the Variax, but I don�t town every modelled guitar of course.
I liked the acoustics, and the banjo and sitar was real fun to play.
The nice thing about the Variax is of course for cover bands or recording.
I traded it for a Gibson SG and never regretted that 
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2009 : 14:54:00
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Originally posted by Witloofboer
I like Strats, they are indeed very versatile. G&L Tribute Series Strats are good strats at a reasonable price.
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Originally posted by Goran
If you have more money go for the Mexican Road Worn series, they are also great.
Review please!
I have never owned one but tried both the tele and strat at a store, they feels great and sounds good but the relict work is not so good. |
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Erik dP
Silver Member
Sweden
150 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2009 : 16:03:17
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G�ran:
I would also trade it for a Gibson SG, as it then would be the "real thing" instead of an emulation (SG is not included as an emulation tough). But for the price I paid they are great.
I havn't found the sound to be lacking as you described. I guess the "feel" can be wrong when using a Les Paul, or an acoustic, emulation without the neck/body to go with it, at least when first got it. But I don't find it wrong today.
I wouldn't buy the Variax for the asked store price. I wouldn't buy any guitar for $1000+. I guess that the difference between me playing with a $3000 or a $500 guitar wouldn't matter that much to be worth the difference in price. Buing a well known brand can however make it easier to get rid of it when changing guitar. Also it can be more fun in 30 years if you keep a Fender rather than a no-name strat. (I also think the vintage prices are insane. Will I become a better player with a $50000 vintage Les Paul compared to a Les Paul Studio? Think not.) |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2009 : 18:19:04
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quote:
Originally posted by Erik dP
G�ran:
I would also trade it for a Gibson SG, as it then would be the "real thing" instead of an emulation (SG is not included as an emulation tough). But for the price I paid they are great.
I havn't found the sound to be lacking as you described. I guess the "feel" can be wrong when using a Les Paul, or an acoustic, emulation without the neck/body to go with it, at least when first got it. But I don't find it wrong today.
I wouldn't buy the Variax for the asked store price. I wouldn't buy any guitar for $1000+. I guess that the difference between me playing with a $3000 or a $500 guitar wouldn't matter that much to be worth the difference in price. Buing a well known brand can however make it easier to get rid of it when changing guitar. Also it can be more fun in 30 years if you keep a Fender rather than a no-name strat. (I also think the vintage prices are insane. Will I become a better player with a $50000 vintage Les Paul compared to a Les Paul Studio? Think not.)
Hej Erik!
It�s partly because that I�m to old to enjoy the new ideas but I like some digital modelling stuff very much.
Like Line6 Spider III, Boss COSM pedals.
But there is something wrong, for me, in the attack, dynamics and response from the Variax. It�s like having a Boss CS-1 in all the time. I don�t "feel good" playing this guitar 
But I will admit again, it�s a great guitar for recording, all this models at your fingertips.
I also think it�s a well manufactured guitar, looks nice too.
Maybe some day when I get older I�ll learn  |
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