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drewkiewiet
Bronze Member
USA
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 Posted - 02/18/2009 : 08:31:39
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Originally posted by verivorax
Seymour duncan Alnico Pro IIs are a really good choice replacement pup, but I'm still partial to Burstbucker 1,2 & 3 (not the "Burstbucker pro") from Gibson. They have a lot more "airiness" and clarity than most typical PAF-style clones.
What don't you like about burstbucker pros? I just bought one... |
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verivorax
Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 02/18/2009 : 11:57:54
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Oh, the Burstbucker PRO is a great pickup, don't get me wrong, and your tone will NOT suffer!
I was just raving about the OTHER Burstbuckers (the 1,2 & 3), which remain relatively unknown to most people. They're priced very nearly the same (or exactly the same sometimes) but are a more "custom shop" and "vintage authentic" style pickup, which Gibson only puts on their highest-end instruments. Check http://gear.gibson.com for their version of how the pickups differ. |
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starr36
Platinum Member
Canada
1172 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2009 : 20:50:18
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Originally posted by verivorax
starr36: which LP do you have? Sometimes Alnico V or Ceramic produce a lot of output which can woof in a Les Paul..
have you tried adjusting the pickup height? If you drop both a little bit the output will drop some. You can also adjust the individual poles deeper into the pickup to reduce individual string output.
If you want to replace the pups..
Seymour duncan Alnico Pro IIs are a really good choice replacement pup, but I'm still partial to Burstbucker 1,2 & 3 (not the "Burstbucker pro") from Gibson. They have a lot more "airiness" and clarity than most typical PAF-style clones.
If you're looking for something a little higher gain or more modern.. I like the duncan FullShred (don't let the name fool you) - it is super articulate, but very warm, rolls off nicely, and holds up in a mahogany axe. I know a lot of guys who love Dimarzio, but they don't fit my playing style or something...
Hmmm its an 02 LP studio .. and the neck pickup is sunk down to the the edge of the bezel (10mm from the strings); bridge pickup is closer to the strings say about 3mm. I also adjusted the pole height to match the radius of the strings and i don't hear any difference in invidual string volume. I audibly perceive the bridge pickup as being quieter than the neck (but there is no 'woof' underneath the bridge pup and this might make it perceived as quieter). There is no evidence at all of the pups being changed, not a mark on the screw mounts nor inside the pot cavity, it is definitely all stock.
Any tips on tweaking or recommended distances would sure save me a lot of hearing hangover and give me a good benchmark place where to start. |
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verivorax
Platinum Member
Canada
1185 Posts |
Posted - 02/19/2009 : 00:24:53
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| All I can suggest is to drop the pup a little more, or drop the lowest two poles, unless that alters the output too much. It may have to do with resonance in your guitar combined with the pickup - a replacement may or may not give you what you want. There's a lot of output @ the neck position, and it just may be too much for chugging or tight low-end work with that pickup. Lower output may be the answer... |
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TKO Ken
Silver Member
USA
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Posted - 02/19/2009 : 03:41:01
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Originally posted by starr36
lol "barely finished guitar"
Which leads me to ask what I was REALLY going to post here ... what is the best way to get rid of the "Les Paul Woof" that you get with the stock Alnico pups?
Coil tap the Humbuckers, should give you the option of a nice jingly Telecaster like tone but, a little darker due to the mahogany body. |
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drewkiewiet
Bronze Member
USA
86 Posts |
Posted - 02/19/2009 : 08:08:46
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| Verivorax- which burstbucker (1,2,3, or pro) would you recommend in the neck if I have a pro in the bridge? |
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verivorax
Platinum Member
Canada
1185 Posts |
Posted - 02/19/2009 : 13:24:01
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I believe the 1 & 2 are similar output to the pro neck and bridge (respectively) - so a Burstbucker1 in the neck- especially if you want enhanced clarity. If you want more output..move up the line - but there'll still be clarity.
If you have a chance, try a guitar with the 1/2/3 in it - all re-issue Les Pauls since ~2000 have had them.
good luck! |
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starr36
Platinum Member
Canada
1172 Posts |
Posted - 02/19/2009 : 23:07:34
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Originally posted by verivorax
I believe the 1 & 2 are similar output to the pro neck and bridge (respectively) - so a Burstbucker1 in the neck- especially if you want enhanced clarity. If you want more output..move up the line - but there'll still be clarity.
If you have a chance, try a guitar with the 1/2/3 in it - all re-issue Les Pauls since ~2000 have had them.
good luck!
Hmm. sounds like the only thing really to do. Have the ears do the decision making! |
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drewkiewiet
Bronze Member
USA
86 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2009 : 09:59:40
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| Ok...the more research I do the more questions I have. I've got a burstbucker pro (bridge) on the way here. If I ended up liking the burstbucker 2...can you put a bridge position pro in the neck and the 2 in the bridge? What are the differences between the bb pro neck and bridge position pickups? |
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verivorax
Platinum Member
Canada
1185 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2009 : 16:31:49
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Just output, IMO. You might have to fiddle with the pickup heights to balance your volume. I think the BB1 matches the pro-neck and the BB2 matches the pro-bridge.
Starr: I got a rough figure for setting pickup height on an LP.. If you fret a string at the 22nd fret, the distance between the BOTTOM edge of the string and the TOP of a pole on your bridge pickup should be between 1/8 and 1/16 of an inch (thickness of a nickel or so). Then raise and lower the neck pickup to match that volume. Definitely dropping the neck pup deeper into the body should remove some woof.
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Witloofboer
Gold Member
Belgium
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drewkiewiet
Bronze Member
USA
86 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2009 : 06:45:26
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I'm real curious too...unfortunately I only have the money to try one things so I want to get it right.
I've got my eye on the seymour duncan phat cat p90 now...anyone ever had one of these in the neck of their les paul? It sounds really bright on the seymour duncan site, but i don't know what the tone settings were or what guitar it was in.
sidenote: anyone know what kind of wood the samick artist series les paul copies (from '99/'00) are made out of? I know it's a bubinga top, but other than that I'm not sure. If anyone has a website online they could point me to with some specs on them I'd appreciate it (or if you just have some knowledge you could drop on me about them I'd appreciate it...). |
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drewkiewiet
Bronze Member
USA
86 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2009 : 10:58:19
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I figured I'd keep you guys posted...
I ended up with a BB pro in the bridge and a seymour duncan phat cat p90 in the neck. I'm VERY pleased with both! They were exactly what I was looking for tone-wise and didn't take much time or money. I replaced them myself and it was very simple.
I'm actually more curious now...the BBpro bridge pick up is 10 times more clear than the stock pickup...I'm tempted to pick up a bb 3 for the bridge and try it out. Also, for the neck, I'd be interested in hearing the differences between gibson's soapbar p90, their p94r, and the seymour duncan phat cat...the phat cat sounds nice and just so happens to fit perfectly as well, so I suppose I'm content...just curious 
Thanks again for all the help! |
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Nice warm/clean neck humbuckers for les paul???
