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drewkiewiet
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FRANZONI
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Ireland
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 Posted - 02/12/2009 : 10:46:47
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I'm not sure if there the same but just in different packets..Grovers have a good rep as being decent tuning pegs it's very possible that gibson just buy off grover and rebadge/repackage them....the thing to be careful of when changing tuners especially with something like you samick(i found this out with my jap squier strat and tele)is that the holes in the headstock of guitars from the far east can be a little bit smaller and might need to be widened out with a cordless drill and right sized bit.....
I read somewhere that there is a replacement locking tuner for Fenders that look like the old style klusons but i'm not sure who makes them..possibly there is a replacement gibson one as well..worth checking out..i have Schaller locking tuners on my '89 strat for years now and they really are the mutts nuts when it comes to tuning stability and changing strings.... ... |
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Right Foot Boss
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USA
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Posted - 02/12/2009 : 14:14:59
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I replaced the tuners on my Ibanez Gio a couple weeks ago with a set of Grover Rottomatics. Franzoni is right in two pionts, Grovers have a very solid reputation, and you will probably have to widen the peg holes, I had to.
I did a bit of googling about widening tuner holes before I did mine and found that you will want to use a reamer to widen those holes. There were plenty of horror stories about headstocks splitting and cracking with a drill bit. The only way drilling was recommended was by a drill press.
Using a hand reamer is simple and very easy. I went down to the local hardware store asked for a reamer and was pointed in the right direction. A 1/4" reamer did the trick. I just turned slowly in a clockwise rotation until the hole was wide enough. Once it was wide enough I marked off the reamer by putting a piece of masking tape around how far down I had to go. Then off I went one hole at a time.
The above Gibson tuners say Grover on them so... |
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FRANZONI
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Ireland
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Posted - 02/12/2009 : 19:04:08
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Nice one right foot boss... sounds like the hand reamer is the way to go if you need it and i think you probably will if your putting american tuners of a jap guitar... the last thing we need to see is a new topic from you titled "how to fix a headstock on a Les Paul"..... ...... |
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verivorax
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Posted - 02/13/2009 : 01:56:09
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The stock Gibson "chrome tulip" tuners ARE Grovers.. They just make the part available to their customers themselves. There may or may not be a difference in the build between the two sets of tuners, as GROVER packaged tuners dropped in price a couple years ago (at the same time that they began appearing on Chinese Epiphones) - possibly suggesting new overseas manufacture. What Gibson is using.. is not clear. They seem to be the exact same product.. Even non-US-made Grovers will be great tuners - the chrome tulips are my favourite, in fact. High-mass and classic look, with great functionality.
They were formerly used only on a couple models like the ES-137 and Les Paul Custom, they seem to be much more common on the 2008 and 2009 models. There's also a locking variant..
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I like that reamer idea.. I have, however, drilled a headstock with success (and using sub-par tools!). If you have the right drill-bit to cut through lacquer, and if you carefully tape off the underside, you can get good results. If your existing tuners are the push-in ferrule type, you'll have to drill/ream. If they have a screw-down hex nut, you may not have to!
Good luck!
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DeFrag
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Posted - 02/13/2009 : 03:19:05
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Careful with the reamers.
They should be sharp so they don't chip the finish!
I usually use a small rat-tail file for the fine work. |
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drewkiewiet
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Posted - 02/13/2009 : 06:10:47
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I have the grover pearloid tuners that look super vintage. They have 2 screws per tuner where as the ones I'm looking to get only have 1. I'm assuming they will work w/ one of the holes and I'll just leave the other one empty. I'm hoping they line up and everything. The I'm sure if I have to widen the holes at all it will just be a little bit. You guys are making me nervous... ...I've got a buddy who is good w/ wood working and what not so maybe I'll do it under his supervision  I wouldn't want to screw up this headstock...this baby is mint. I'll try to post a pic.
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drewkiewiet
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Posted - 02/13/2009 : 06:32:51
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shot of the headstock...I don't have a pic of the back so you can see the actual tuners, but here is one from online:
http://www.chrisguitars.com/par-gib70tuners3+3.jpg
These aren't my tuners, but the back is the same setup...a screw on top and a screw on the bottom. |
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Right Foot Boss
Gold Member
USA
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Posted - 02/13/2009 : 16:54:47
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Yup, the one screw tuners should work fine.
I can't really tell from that picture but those tuners look like they have push in bushings. Verivorax says it all right here:
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Originally posted by verivorax
If your existing tuners are the push-in ferrule type, you'll have to drill/ream. If they have a screw-down hex nut, you may not have to!
Not trying to scare you with the drilling. Just giving you a heads up from my recent research. Replacing tuners are really easy. You'll be glad you got rid of those plastic tulips.
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drewkiewiet
Bronze Member
USA
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Posted - 02/13/2009 : 17:17:42
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| Hey thanks! Ya, I'm not scared...I just get nervous cuz I don't have a back up. I'm currently in the process of finding a good/cheap set on Ebay. I've found brand new ones for 50 or 60, but I'm trying to see if i can find a slightly used set for half of that. If i have to buy new I will, but I don't have to have a new set. I'm also about to pick up some pick ups and put them in myself so once it is all done, I'll be extremely happy! Thanks again! |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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Posted - 02/13/2009 : 20:53:47
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| Glad to help...... nice looking guitar BTW........... |
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drewkiewiet
Bronze Member
USA
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Posted - 03/07/2009 : 10:51:10
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FINALLY!!!! I've replaced my tuners w/ the gibson/grover nickel machine head ones (they are amazing so far) and I actually swapped out my stock pickups with a BB pro in the bridge and a seymour duncan phat cat p90 in the neck....I'm so happy with my pickup choices and how the tuners turned out!!!! I actually drilled the headstock with a regular screw gun and it went fine...just took things real slow. I'll try to post some before and after pics when I get a chance to take a pic of my current setup. thanks for all the help guys! |
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Gibson/Grover tulip tuners the same?
