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steve998
Copper Member
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 09/27/2006 : 15:20:09
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I have a OD3 and CS3 which I think are great. I bought an old style Marshall Shredmaster (one of the large black ones) as it was recommended by a friend. IMHO the shredmaster is very overrated as a distortion pedal. However my experience of OD/Distortion pedals is very limited.
I want a tone capaple of approximating a Gary Moore/early Van Halen sound (ie loads of creamy mids, compression and on the edge of feeding back BUT not too extreme). Should I be looking at either the BD2 or the MT2?
I use my Marshall amp (8080)for my lead tones at the moment as the shredmaster pedal is not good enough, just wondered what people use for good old rock music!
(PS the OD 3 rules for blues! I never tried to play blues before buying this pedal.....superb!) 
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controlfreak
Silver Member
Ireland
337 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2006 : 15:31:27
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hey man, is that an old valvestate 8080 80W combo?
i'd recommend using the amp dist and using the OD-3 or a BD-2 to boost it and make it a bit more creamy buttery |
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steve998
Copper Member
United Kingdom
32 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2006 : 15:55:30
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Hi
Yep its an old 8080 which I have had from new. NEVER had another amp. I changed the speaker from the slightly sterile Celestion G12 to a Vintage 30. Best thing i have ever bought for my guitar sound. I sold a strat as it sounded so thin through my amp... ididnt know that my stock speaker had NO mids!!
The amp is great (IMHO) for crunch and distortion, it just needs to be a bit smoother for leads (or perhaps i should get the hang of using my guitars tone controls  )
I tried to get a good tone by boosting the OD marshall channel with the Boss OD3. I just cant get a good tone boosting a mostly solid state amp? My OD3 sounds much better as a distortion pedal on the clean channel?
If the BD2 or MT2 is as good as my OD3 then I will be really pleased.
I really want a thick/creamy lead tone with loads of sustain (but not so much gain that the tone is lost?).
Which boss pedal distortion pedal shall I try next?
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
3652 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2006 : 16:14:36
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I've heard people mention the SD-1 in connection with EVH sounds.
I'm not sure I understand why but I can imagine it would be good for Gary Moore stuff. |
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steve998
Copper Member
United Kingdom
32 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2006 : 16:45:44
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thanks for the advice..... I thought however that the SD-1 had less gain than my OD-3??? I need much more!!
I need a distortion pedal as i will be playing straight into the clean input of my amp.
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steve998
Copper Member
United Kingdom
32 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2006 : 16:51:40
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I just went onto the Boss website and noticed that the follwowing pedals all have a 'smooth' characteristic
MT 2
OS 2
BD 2
Which of these pedals is 'better' for Van Halen, Joe Satch lead playing?
Hope someone can help... (of course i could save up and buy them all!) |
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Leeroyfunk
Silver Member
United Kingdom
400 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2006 : 19:13:11
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Originally posted by steve998
MT 2
OS 2
BD 2
Which of these pedals is 'better' for Van Halen, Joe Satch lead playing?
I used the OS-2 for quite a while, before replacing it with a OD-3: They cover similar ground, but the OS-2 has a bit more gain and therefore sustain available. I haven't used the other two pedals, but i suspect the MD-2 is more flexible as it has a three band eq rather than the usual "tone" knob: However, it is called the "Metal Zone" - That would put me off  |
Edited by - Leeroyfunk on 09/27/2006 19:13:51 |
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Big Boss Man
Gold Member
USA
564 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2006 : 19:13:14
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| On The Boss Book CD I think one of the demos for an EVH sound was an OD-3 and BF-2. This was probably in front a big Marshall tube head/stack though. Maybe try a DS-1? Didn't Satch use one at some point? To really nail this sound I think you need to start with the right amp though. |
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Austen
Bronze Member
50 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2006 : 00:03:48
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I don't know how to break it to you...
Umm lets see... your happy with an 8080? Ok, your world will transform beyond belief the day you get your first decent tube amp. The tone lieth there...
8080.... mostly people buy them for the cab and speakers as 'junkers' they are usually considered THAT awful. But...as usual there are no rules, if you can pull a good tone with one, more power to you. |
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controlfreak
Silver Member
Ireland
337 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2006 : 09:45:54
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he's got a point there. i updated from my 8080 to a JCM2000 TSL and it's creamy without any pedals attached.
the JCM800 is prob closer to the tone you're after though. used by zach wilde/tom morello etc.
very simple controls but toone to die for! |
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Big Boss Man
Gold Member
USA
564 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2006 : 18:11:12
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| JCM800 + OD-3 will definitely get an EVH sound. |
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steve998
Copper Member
United Kingdom
32 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2006 : 15:14:32
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'Big Boss Man' you are quite correct!!
I take it all back about my Shredmaster pedal(JCM800 in a bax )..I WAS WRONG. I experimented last night with going straight into my OD3 and then into my stredmaster pedal. I found that I was getting cr@p tone as i was not turning my pedals 'levels up enough'. The OD3 'smoothed' out and compressed the signal before being distorted by the Marshall pedal.
I know my amp aint the best, but at least now with my boss compression, OD3, shredmaster and Vintage 30 speaker I know have a pretty good rock tone.
Thanks for the advice.
(PS... if the 8080 amp is that bad should i just connect the distortion pedals to the return of the effects loop and by pass the pre-amp? surely the solid state power amp section of the amp isnt too bad?)
Weird how a two �50 pedals sounds better than the OD section of my amp?
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controlfreak
Silver Member
Ireland
337 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2006 : 16:05:23
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there's a trick i used to do with my 8080.
basically because the valve is on the OD channel i set up this channel for clean. switch the OD switch to OD1 and keep the gain as low as possible while the channel master and amp master are what's giving it the volume. i much prefer the tone off the amp set up like this.
you could set it up this way and run your pedals straight in.
just an idea anyway |
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steve998
Copper Member
United Kingdom
32 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2006 : 16:34:10
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That sounds like a very good idea. I used to use the OD1 channel for my clean sounds as you mentioned, the sound is better on that channel. I will experiment with matching volumes between the pedals and channels. Clean channel for using distortion pedals and OD1 for 'clean'
(anyone know why i get more reverb when the master volume is on max and the channel volume is set low?)
I think i will buy a BD2 as well as they seem to get v good reviews on this site.
All i want (for now) is the DD6, a chorus pedal and that new compact looping pedal! |
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controlfreak
Silver Member
Ireland
337 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2006 : 16:48:40
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| you prob get more reverb that way for the same reason you get more gain that way. the amp is amplifying at 10 lets say giving quite a resonant reverb but your only hearing it at volume 1. so you hearing the really loud reverb at a low volume. |
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steve998
Copper Member
United Kingdom
32 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2006 : 17:15:05
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Cheers for your help.
Buying pedals seems much more 'fun' than buying pick ups and amps.... BUT i suppose new pick ups should be my next upgrade as pick ups effect the sound of everything you play?
I have never changed pick ups before.... do they make a significant difference over standard (ie cheap!) pick ups?
My local guitar shop advised the 'Custom Custom' for lead/rock playing?
(PS... I still love my Marshall 8080 and can't bring myself to sell it!)
Thanks again everyone
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