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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
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 Posted - 12/28/2009 : 11:00:37
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Definetely yes, at least a JCM600 is a full tube amp whereas your old AVT is mostly solid state.
It's worth checking out for that price. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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Posted - 12/29/2009 : 02:20:12
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Originally posted by Dirk
I think you're better off with a good 2 channel amp instead of getting a tube amp and using a pedal in front of it.
IMHO, then you're not using the amp to it's fullest potential.
It'd be a crying shame to buy a JCM800 and playing it clean, with some shitty sounding pedal in front of it.
I've seen some kid with a very nice Marshall JCM 900 SL-X, using it for a clean sound with some Digicrap pedal in front for distortion.
Needless to say, it sounded like shit and it doesn't make sense buying a rather expensive amp without using it to it's fullest.
That's like buying a Porsche and replacing the engine with one from a Honda.
Sorry for the rant, but you'll get my point 
Oh yeah, amps can be used with any cabinet 2x12 or 4x12, your choice.
the only thing is if you go down this road you would need to route any reverb/delay in the effects loop of the amp and putting them before overdriven channel can lead to a messy sound IMHO
With the older marshall heads like mine you can get them singing with a good quality overdrive or something like Lauries HZD booster for a classic rock sound but not for a real scooped thrash sound..Dirk is correct in that unless you can get the amps master volume up to a reasonable level it will sound pretty bad and lifeless....thats why i put poweramp valve converters in the marshalls output section (and two 25 watt greenback in the cab)to pull the overall volume down so i could push the output section a bit more and get the amp singing.... |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2009 : 02:53:44
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Originally posted by Dirk
Definetely yes, at least a JCM600 is a full tube amp whereas your old AVT is mostly solid state.
It's worth checking out for that price.
+1 on the jcm600 I had one of them, I can't remember why i got rid of it.But have been missing it ever since |
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The_Doc
Gold Member
United Kingdom
509 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2009 : 11:15:40
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+1 with Franzoni on using the effect loop for reverb / delays / modulation. I've been using a Marshall JVM 410 100w combo for live shows for a year or so now and the effects loop is essential.
Also on the JVM, if you use one of the less driven channels - the 'Clean' or the 'Crunch' modes - they take dirt & boost pedals really well. I've stuck tubescreamers and MXR boosters/Microamps in front of it and they've been very good - the best so far has been the Fulltone FullDrive 2. We play 'classic' rock whatever that is! - Free, Stones, Bad Company, Bowie, Deep Purple, Hendrix, Who , Thin Lizzy, Steppenwolf, etc .... I think  |
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Ptak
Bronze Member
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Joske Turbo
Silver Member
Belgium
412 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2009 : 22:58:37
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Congratulations! It looks awsome, very clean! Let us know how it sounds when it arrives.  |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2009 : 00:05:51
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 Congrats...looks great from the pics.. i even spy what looks like a parallel and series effects loops and a DI out on the back panel... it appears to be a well thought out amp we expect a full report on the sound... .... |
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Ptak
Bronze Member
141 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2009 : 06:40:01
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| I cant wait to go pick it up. Whats going to be fun is i still have my valvestate so i can compare the two. Im hoping this amp blows me away! oh and yes a full detailed report including what pedals im runing will be done. |
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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
1309 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2009 : 09:59:47
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Nice score, Ptak
I remember the day I made the upgrade from a valvestate to a JCM 800  Hoiy crap, where have you been all this time? I wondered then. |
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Ptak
Bronze Member
141 Posts |
Posted - 12/31/2009 : 03:39:49
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im picking up my new amp tomorrow! whats funny is i just got my valvestate sounding the best it ever has tonight. I said i could get it to 85% where i want, well i just pushed it to 90%. Although now that i think of it i just tighted up some soldering in my geet so that could be why.  |
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Ptak
Bronze Member
141 Posts |
Posted - 01/01/2010 : 03:56:43
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 yup thanks BossAreaForum for leading me to this amp. Blows the valvestate away. I'll no longer have tone problems like i did again. Now ive got 4 pedals left to buy and my guitar rig is complete. Best part is i was thinking i might need a geet upgrade since i have a Epiphone g-400 and Goth les paul studio but the amp + pedals sound mint enough that i dont even think its necessary. Awesome way to start the new year! |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 01/01/2010 : 05:56:10
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Originally posted by Ptak
yup thanks BossAreaForum for leading me to this amp. Blows the valvestate away. I'll no longer have tone problems like i did again. Now ive got 4 pedals left to buy and my guitar rig is complete. Best part is i was thinking i might need a geet upgrade since i have a Epiphone g-400 and Goth les paul studio but the amp + pedals sound mint enough that i dont even think its necessary. Awesome way to start the new year!
Hi Ptak & guys
You will find that there is a slight learning curve, with an all tube amp.
The touch dynamics (touch sensitivity) are very different,
especially the differences between play really softly & then digging in.
Even the differences in strumming will be more apparent.
But you are now on the right track, enjoy the ride. 
I a few of my friends have never really learned to control this difference, & sadly gone back to SS amps.
Regards Dr. Bob 
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Ptak
Bronze Member
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Posted - 01/01/2010 : 10:07:57
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| Ill keep that in mind for the next time i play but from my time playing tonight i found it easier for the most part. Im loving the amount of sustain too. After playing the jcm it makes my other amp seem like a toy. |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
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Brutalitarian Supremacy
Silver Member
USA
270 Posts |
Posted - 01/01/2010 : 17:32:49
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Originally posted by FRANZONI
Congrats...looks great from the pics.. i even spy what looks like a parallel and series effects loops and a DI out on the back panel... it appears to be a well thought out amp we expect a full report on the sound.......
...the knob is set up so it's a parallel loop from 1-9 and a full on series loop at 10...it's also has dedicated effects loops for all three channels and a built in attenuator!Great amp!...they're just a serious bummer to work on...a tech's nightmare! |
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Best Marshall Amp For Use With Pedals
