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rockman888
Copper Member
Philippines
30 Posts |
 Posted - 12/07/2008 : 14:39:13
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Here's my list but don't know what to choose...
DS-1
BD-2
SD-1
OD-2
OD-3
DS-2
HM-3 or HM-2
What i'm looking for is a good clean gain but not very muddy.
BTW I have a GE-7 which i can mix with either of the pedals.
Thanks for looking and I welcome any opinion.
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
1418 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2008 : 14:59:26
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| What sort of amp are you playing through? Just wondering as I find OD pedals tend to work better with tube amps, and Distortion pedals work well with both, but if you have a solid state amp, I find distortion pedals sound a bit better that OD pedals through a solid state amp. Personally, I'd try out a DS-1 or DS-2 first, then maybe look into the HM pedals if those 2 don't work out. Also, when you say 'punk rock' what bands in particular do you mean? I mean I consider the Stooges to be punk rock, but then there are these new pop bands that people are calling punk rock. That might give us some idea of what sound you are looking to get... |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2008 : 15:31:48
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| I need to know a little more. what amp you are using and what type of sound you are looking for and what effects you have and don't like about them or what sound is it missing.I had a friend that was looking for something diffrent in a distortion. after taking to him about it alot it turned out that he just needed a boss ge-7 and was very happy with his sound. |
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rockman888
Copper Member
Philippines
30 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2008 : 16:38:49
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My amp is solid state.
I does have a brand but not well known
Has 2 12 inch speakers and i happen to have a Tube screamer clone but doesn't have enough gain and it has more mid range even if the tone is turned all the way up.
This clip is not me doing the guitar. I was capturing the clip
This is my tone right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFm0tR5gkb8
The tone that i'm looking for maybe green day or mostly J-rock(japanese rock) type like (asian kung fu generation)
I found one at youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuaJ5fZ1OPo
This is asian kung fu generation.
But i would like a little more gain.
I recently tried HM-3 with my TS9 clone with the HM-3 gain to zero.
TS9->HM-3
It pushed the HM-3 to a different tone (it had more mid range) but i want and overdrive sound like a cranked tube amp ( with the right gain adjustment )
I'm still thinking of other options.
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2008 : 17:32:03
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| the OS-2 or an older DS-1 are probably the best pedals for punk rock from boss imo. the OD-2 on turbo mode would do it. i think both the HM-2 and HM-3 would be too muddy. |
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rockman888
Copper Member
Philippines
30 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2008 : 18:55:02
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Oh btw the Marshall Drivemaster. I have one.
Can it make the demands of music like punk? Just a thought.
Maybe a little later i'll try those... |
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verivorax
Platinum Member
Canada
1185 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2008 : 06:44:52
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I think a DS-1 set kind of buzzy and an OD-series pedal to warm that tone up - get it juicier and more tubey. The same could be done with any distortion pedal (..maybe not the MD-2) - the HM-2 or MZ-2 would be good as well.
Also, a thick OD (you have a TS9 clone you said) in front of an FBM-1..
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2008 : 07:19:52
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drivemasters will do punk... most pedals will do punk with the right settings though.
guessing what you are looking for is a fully saturated sound that will chunk nicely on a palm mute without being too harsh on chords? not too harsh = the notes individual notes will blend together smoothly but without total loss of articulation.
you'll also need a fully saturated sound with a bit of sizzle since you don't have amp overdrive assistance, but nothing too overbearing in terms of gain.
the process of elimination is one of the easier ways to get to narrow the list down.
not enough gain:
BD-2, OD-1, OD-3, SD-1
lots of gain/buzz but muds out if you hit more than 2 strings unless the gain is set mega low:
MT-2, HM-3, FZ-2, FZ-3, FZ-5, ML-2, PW-2, MZ-2
not the right tone color or dynamics:
XT-2, DN-2
probables:
SD-2, OD-2, DS-1, DS-2, DF-2, HM-2, MD-2, OS-2.
the MD-2 is a bit too chuggy imo, but i haven't used em much.
the HM-2 is super duper noisy... but can get close, but given the noise issue i would probably chase a different pedal.
the MIT DS-1's are too tinny/sizzly on the high end (whereas the MIJ ones are much more chunky and organic).
i personally would write off the DF-2 since it's overpriced if you aren't going for the feedback effect.
that leaves:
SD-2 (on lead mode), OD-2 (on turbo mode), MIJ DS-1, DS-2 (on mode I), OS-2.
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rockman888
Copper Member
Philippines
30 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2008 : 08:06:05
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Thx for the posts.
I will try
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SD-2 (on lead mode), OD-2 (on turbo mode), MIJ DS-1, DS-2 (on mode I), OS-2.
as for now.
But for the amp, what would be the eq settings suited for punk rock.
My amp produces a lot of low end freq. and highs,
I have my ge-7 for a while but i'm still new to the GE-7 as external eq.
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2008 : 13:02:19
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Hi rockman..
if you want to raise your mids the thing i would suggest is to set the GE-7 in a frown...pull the bass and treble side of the EQ back and push the mids slightly... i haven't used a GE-7 for a long time with my electric rig but when i did i found it worked best after the distortion/overdrive and before any mod/delay pedals....the turbo mode on the OD-2 is a great sound and a good recomendation by Zen.... ..i used mine on rehearsal last week as i couldn't be assed carrying the pedalboard in and i had forgotten how great the OD-2 is as a pedal...if you got an R vesion you could swith between the two modes with a footswitch if you wanted a lighter overdrive during a song... |
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rockman888
Copper Member
Philippines
30 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2008 : 13:36:32
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Thanks Franzoni.
My friend just gave his OD-2r to his other friend and i hope i could get to trade it again.
About the GE-7:
I will try it tomorrow at the studio.
The reason is that i really liked scooped sound.
This will be different for me. I will still try to make some changes.
And also, I was getting the idea posted here and there are many aspects that can help shape the sound i'm looking for, maybe i'll try posting some demo after that.
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
3409 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2008 : 15:25:19
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Zentropa has some great info.
I'd probably go with the OS-2 for its versatility & because I own one.  |
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Right Foot Boss
Gold Member
USA
881 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2008 : 15:48:57
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Zentropa is a guru on topics like these.
Thanks rockman888 for turning me on to another cool japanese band.
I love that stuff. |
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
1418 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2008 : 15:58:26
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Originally posted by rockman888
The reason is that i really liked scooped sound.
The scooped sound is good when you play by yourself, but what tends to happen 9 times out of 10 when anyone tries to use a heavily scooped sound live and/or with a band is that the bass and drums take up the most of the low end frequencies, and the cymbals take up most of the high end frequency. So what ends up happening is that your guitar cannot be heard through the mix. I play in a 4-piece "band", and the other guitarist has an amp that has 30 more whats then mine and 2 more speakers than my amp (he uses a 150 watt half-stack, and I use a 120 watt 2X12 combo), but since he's a really big Dimebag fan, he has his mids at zero. When he plays by himself, he sounds fine, when he plays with the band, we cannot hear him 75% of the time, and what we do end up hearing ends up sounding like a bunch of speaker cone farts and breathing. Its not a volume issue, everytime he turns up, it gets worse. The guitar is actually a middle frequency voiced instrument, so put some mids in there. Granted, you don't have to put all the EQ dials on 8 like I do, but don't have your mids at zero either...Just my 2 cents, and if you hang out here for awhile, you will find me b!tching about how no-mids sucks... |
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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
1309 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2008 : 17:40:08
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Originally posted by jack
Just my 2 cents, and if you hang out here for awhile, you will find me b!tching about how no-mids sucks...
And if you don't, I will
Guitars don't need a lot of low and high end in a band mix.
They need mids to be heard.
Bassplayers provide the low end, plus need a good deal of mids to
be heard as well.
Listen to some of the older punkbands, did Steve Jones have a scooped guitar sound with the Sex Pistols? Nope, it was midrangey.
Same thing goes for GreenDay, Offspring and the Ramones, they all sound midrangey, and a lot cleaner than some people think.
Same thing goes for metalbands, crappy bands have scooped sounds, the big name bands, Metallica, Megadeth, even Slayer have pretty normal guitar sounds with mids and a lot cleaner than full on metalzone type gain.
Besides, bassplayers hate guitar sounds with too much low end. 
I think it's a good idea to sculpt your tone with the GE-7 after any medium gain distortion pedal, in the meantime do yourselfs a favor and save money for a (secondhand) tube amp with at least a 2x12 cabinet. |
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pawnshop_trash
Gold Member
USA
603 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2008 : 17:54:10
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I agree with Zentropa's list, and personally would probably opt for an older MIJ DS-1 (or a modded MIT DS-1).
for eq, count me as another vote for midrange. start with all of your amp eq knobs at noon (in the middle), but from the sounds of it you might want to lower the bass eq knob a bit. for your GE-7, you might want to try a mid-boost setting (an upside down "V")... FWIW, I think that's the way Kerry King of Slayer has his MXR graphic eq set that way. |
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What pedal is best for punk rock?
