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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
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zestystrat
Silver Member
USA
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 Posted - 06/19/2008 : 22:52:36
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| No StroboStomp2 or TU-2 on that list? I had to throw the boss option in there.... |
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
3409 Posts |
Posted - 06/19/2008 : 23:23:42
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Originally posted by zestystrat
No StroboStomp2 or TU-2 on that list? I had to throw the boss option in there....
I'll give my TU-2 to my son & already have a full blown Peterson Strobe. |
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 06/19/2008 : 23:32:19
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i haven't used any of those.
i believe there's an ibanez pedal tuner that's true bypass though. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2008 : 00:03:01
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I use a good ol' TU-12 off the send of the second loop on my LS-2 for silent tuning... i don't like having the tuner in the signal chain and stinkfoot warned against running it off the tuner out jack on a volume pedal.....i've always found it to be fairly accurate but i agree with Eric Johnson when he said you need to temper tune the guitar by ear as well especialy with fenders.. |
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
1418 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2008 : 00:23:48
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Some people might think I am crazy, but I think strobe tuners and some of the new tuners out there may be a bit overkill because I am under the impression that the range of human hearing isn't as precise as the tuners. I have had several occaisions when setting intonation where the tuner says its out, but as far as my ears can tell its in. Maybe its just me, but I don't think most humans can detect differences of just a few cents, and since I don't play for tuners, I play for other people, I don't sweat it too much. I don't set my intonation with a strobe tuner, just a $15 Korg tuner, and thats it. This is just my opinion though, and I am sure some of you will have a field day with my view on this.... |
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2008 : 00:46:24
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Jack:
it is possible for the human ears to be sensitive but it's more of how people hear than what they hear.
when a person has perfect pitch they are able to hear/feel the oscillating wave in freespace. a couple of cents is noticeable but it takes a significant amount to be painful.
the other method is tone memory. i've met several studio guitarists who didn't have perfect pitch, but they had memorized what specific notes sounded like and could tune each string as a single tone accurately within 1-3 cents from memory for both E and Eb tunings.
a lot of people use tuners as a convenience thing... faster/easier especially in a loud setting. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2008 : 01:04:25
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I'm not trying to brag ,but as i've been playing 25+ years and did my first gig at 13 i can tune a guitar with new strings from scratch to concert pitch or a couple of cents either way....i think any guitar player who plays regularly could do the same,i don't think i'm unusual in this regard...but as i said i my earlier post,i agree a lot with 'tempered tuning' as i think as others pointed out, that the human ear and the way it percieves sound etc,can be a little bit different to a electronic device..but as i gig regular with a drummer who thinks tuning up is a chance for him to mess about on his drums i recommend to anyone for live playing a tuner is a must also mute the sound as there is nothing worse than hearing someone tune up at full volume..... just don't make the mistake i did once where i was a bit 'under the weather' on a gig years ago and i hit the button on the pod's built in tuner by mistake,the one that changes the pitch from 440hz to 441hz (or whatever pitch you want and tuned up silently)..we then proceeded to start a song with everyone looking around to see what was wrong..... i started cutting back on the 'refreshments' after that.... ... |
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
1418 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2008 : 01:06:45
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Originally posted by zentropa
Jack:
it is possible for the human ears to be sensitive but it's more of how people hear than what they hear.
when a person has perfect pitch they are able to hear/feel the oscillating wave in freespace. a couple of cents is noticeable but it takes a significant amount to be painful.
the other method is tone memory. i've met several studio guitarists who didn't have perfect pitch, but they had memorized what specific notes sounded like and could tune each string as a single tone accurately within 1-3 cents from memory for both E and Eb tunings.
a lot of people use tuners as a convenience thing... faster/easier especially in a loud setting.
I use and am all for tuners, I just think some of them may be a bit more precise than what is needed for most regular folks with out special Spock ears , thats all I was trying to say... |
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Mr Arkadin
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
119 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2008 : 01:08:10
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2008 : 05:06:36
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i think any guitar player who plays regularly could do the same,i don't think i'm unusual in this regard.
i've met a handful (myself included). it's seemed to be about 1 in 20.
one of the interesting differences in tuning by ear vs. tuning with an electronic tuner is that when you tune by ear you usually get the pitch of the sustained and slightly decaying note whereas tuners spike so much on the pick attack that you tend to get a lil diff tuning when using either one.
i think what they are trying to do w/ tuners now is to have the accuracy of strobe tuners without the price of strobe tuners which isn't that bad imo but i agree it's overkill for most situations. also have to keep in mind that they are usable by other instruments than guitar. most classical musicians are uber pitch freaks.
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
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Posted - 06/20/2008 : 05:08:19
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ut as i gig regular with a drummer who thinks tuning up is a chance for him to mess about on his drums
this is all drummers. same drummer a million faces. |
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Pedalhead
Silver Member
USA
245 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2008 : 07:01:14
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I had a TU-2 for years, it sucked it my opinion. I would tune with it, play a cord, and have to tune again because it just was not right.
I just bought a strobostomp2, but I was REALLY disappointed because it was made of heavy plastic(looks like metal in the pics to me). After some research I bought a korg DT-10BR, so far so good. I am really curious about the Turbo Tuner. |
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Mr Arkadin
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
119 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2008 : 12:43:05
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| Pedalhead, the StroboStomp2 is made of die-cast aluminium, not plastic. Maybe you're thinking of the original StroboStomp which also had plastic jacks. Think they learned their lesson on that one. |
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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
1309 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2008 : 16:22:36
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Originally posted by FRANZONI
but as i gig regular with a drummer who thinks tuning up is a chance for him to mess about on his drums
Thank God we're not the only band with a drummer like that...
In fact, I actually know quite a bunch of drummers like that.
I always use a tuner live, because of the background noise problems.
I don't really think it matters much which tuner you have as long as the entire band has the same tuner, at least you'll always be in tune with each other.
I've had this old no-brand thingy that served me quite well for the past 13 years, and if it breaks I'll probably replace it with a TU-12 or something similar. |
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PaulH
Gold Member
535 Posts |
Posted - 06/20/2008 : 17:55:10
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I have still got and use 3 classic TU-12 tuners.
One is always on the electric pedal board, one on the bass pedal board, and the other just lying around for acoustics, or anything else that needs tuning. |
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