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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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 Posted - 04/10/2009 : 05:21:04
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Originally posted by strat714
The DM-2 is the cat's meow, the bee's knees and the wasp's nipples.
Hi strat714
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svengali
Bronze Member
Australia
111 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2009 : 08:12:22
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i have a dm2, the mn3005 version.
it has never been adjusted ( trim pots).
i do have a criticism of it in that it has clock noise.
i used to think it was just certain amps...then ill tell you what happenned.
i bought yamaha e1010 rack delay.
it has four mn3005's.
i have adjusted this thing to have about 800ms ( you turn the internal trimmer marked vr3 delay) max delay time..and it is completely silent...just beautiful delay.
it has a lot of circuitry and some of it i guess filters out this (apparently everpresent) awful bbd clock noise.
its only after i used that thing for first time did i hear just how noisy these pedals are.
i actually have a few delay pedals...dm2 ad80 dd2 sad 1 and a dod fx90.
they all have this buzz which sits on the delayed signal.
its tiny, buts its there and gets worse when you play a flurry of nots and the things have to work harder.
the least noisy of them all is the ad80 pedal...it only has the very slightest teeny bit of clock noise.
but the thing is...clock noise aside the dm2 has the best delay out of all the pedals.
it does this soup thing.....also ive recently realised it has more top end.
if i had to pick out of my pedals id choose the ad80 only because i hate that clock noise sound.
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silvertone6120
Gold Member
USA
609 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2009 : 14:31:46
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| That's peculiar...I have four DM-2s and a DM-3(along with a DD-3 and and two RE-20s), none of which have any clock noise. |
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svengali
Bronze Member
Australia
111 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2009 : 22:39:19
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the dm2 only has this little buzz when the delay is at its longest.
it disappears when the knob is turned 1/3 of the way.
its common knowledge that bbd delays are noisy.
its just what they are.
i do have very sensitive hearing mind you which is of course in this instance a curse.
four dm2's?
awesome.
my fav setting on the dm 2 is ist knob at 0 second knob at...10 and the thrid knob at 4.
Also i have noticed the pedal sounds vastly different when used with a battery.
the headroom disappears and it goes super soupy.
be mindful here that mine has the old chip which kind of likes higher voltages.
i dont have the heart to touch the dd 2 i have but i have a feeling that pedal could be modified to produce a much more organic repeat.
I had a good listen to it yesterday and all one would have to do is put one of those hi cut mods in..... |
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tazzboy
Copper Member
USA
46 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2009 : 05:41:48
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The only thing I had go wrong with my DM-3 was the trim pots were messed up and the IC MN 3205 BBB Chip went belly up. Other than that everything is now fine and I should be getting back from boss here really soon.
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MullyFX
Gold Member
Germany
753 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2009 : 09:57:46
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I chose the VOX Time Machine and can highly recommend it. Absolutely no noise whatsoever - even with the wet signal turned all the way up.
the modulation in the vintage mode is super nice... and the triplet feature is implemented very cleverly...
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visserman
Platinum Member
1072 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2009 : 11:53:24
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Originally posted by silvertone6120
That's peculiar...I have four DM-2s and a DM-3(along with a DD-3 and and two RE-20s), none of which have any clock noise.
clocknoise is that AM radiosound you get when you are not receiving a station very well or when you are changing your dial to go from one station to the next one.
The sound can be heard on almost any setting on any analogue delay. To train your ears [because that is what is comes to really] play through a digtil delay, then play same idea now using an analogue delay and listen closely, the repeats will be darker but there is also a funny sound, now that sound can be brought upfront when you max the controls and you get feedback, but even before you get to feedback you can hear the noise which actually makes that sound. I guess this sound creates the typical characteristic sound of analogue delays.
No idea why they are so hyped as they are just another form of delay, okay a bit darker, but nevertheless, they should not be costing that much more than some digital delays.
The PS-2, yes the PS-2 guys, does sound very analogue. It is the noisiest delay among the boss pedals which carry delay. Its sound is not as dark as a DM-2, but much darker [and noisier than the sound of the delay on the RV-3 and PS-3] I mention the pedals from the 3-series because timewise- and ideawise, they sit in the same category.
No idea why the DD-6 [and apparently the DD-7] are much noisier on their repeats than the DD-2,DD-3 and DD-5. In a way it should the other way around, as they improve when their number goes up.
Svengali, I have been reading your observations about the DM-2 for a while and I find them very useful.
I think I have a later version of the DM-2 which is what you call an echo pedal. You favourite setting is the same a mine, as that is the setting where the pedal delays, but when you listen closely, the repeats never end, they just get weaker, it just echos on and on. Very different from a DD-2 [or any of the other of the DD-series], which in a way I enjoy more, as it sounds more natural.
You also make me curious about listening to an older DM-2 to see if the sound is really that different.
I also have, like you, a DOD fx90. I have adjusted the trimpots, and this pedal does delay in a more natural way, in fact it can do what the DM-2 does, but it can also go beyound.
For adjusting the trims, I just operated the pedal with a digital metronome, to get a rough idea, was literally turning the trims as I listened to the effect, then tried it with the guitar, had to finetune a little. Now this pedal seem to work fine with that kind of tweaking.
On the net I found what the trimmers stood for, and I adjusted it first to exaggerate the function of each trim, in that way I knew what I did not like, then changed it from there.
I could get it to create an ugly noise, but with the adjustments I could also tame that sound.
Decided to adjust the pedal because it did not delay that well, only did the slapback thing, which may have been what the previous owner liked a lot.
Finally, I certainly believe that delay is an effect one needs to learn to appreciate and understand. It takes time and you need to learn to play with it. It probably helps to buy different delays over time to see how differently they behave. No, of course, the general delay-effect is the same on any kind of pedal, but the details of the sound will vary, and this is what you may enjoy.
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2009 : 18:16:07
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No idea why they are so hyped as they are just another form of delay, okay a bit darker, but nevertheless, they should not be costing that much more than some digital delays.
the way i see it is analog delays are like tube amps and digital delays are like solid state amps. analog delays are warmer but the reproduction is LESS accurate to the original sound. at the same time, i find the warmer, less accurate reproduction more pleasing to the ear. digital delays remind me more of a jazz chorus. clean as can be but sterile like a hospital.
as for pricing, for the most part, i don't think analog delays are much more expensive than digital ones. the extinct chips don't help much, but if you take the consumer-grade analog delays vs. the available digital delays, i don't think the price difference is that great. imo, only the DM-2 is really over-valued. when you shoot out most new analog delays vs. new digital delays, the prices are almost identical. on the used market, digital delays are a dime a dozen and far fewer people sell their analog ones, so it's more of a supply/demand thing there. |
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LuminaryJCP
Bronze Member
USA
85 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2009 : 20:56:44
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| I say if you are torn between analog and digital, because you want the option of longer delay times with an analog sound, get a dd-2, because it is a more low-fi digital delay than newer digitals or an MXR Carbon Copy, because it has pretty good delay time and a nice modulate mode. The Maxon AD-999 is also an analog with a long delay time (900ms!) but it costs A LOT. If you want a clean, versatile digital delay then get the DD-7. It all depends on your style. I personally like analog and digital delays equally, depending on the application. |
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Best all round delay pedal???????
