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azimuth
Copper Member
Canada
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 Posted - 03/13/2009 : 01:41:44
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Are the CE-2, PH-2 or BF-2 considered "time based" effects like the DD-3 is (obviously)?
Basically, I'm having a hard time figuring out if chorus, phaser, flanger should be in my effects loop or not. |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
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Posted - 03/13/2009 : 01:52:10
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| i consider them time based effects and they all sound good in the effects loop |
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nosi0
Gold Member
Netherlands
511 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 01:52:22
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| Yes i believe they are all time based and perform best in the effects loop. The effects loop just lets you put effects after the distortion created by your amp and we usually put chorus phaser and flanger after distortion right? |
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azimuth
Copper Member
Canada
26 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 02:08:47
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| I always thought time-based effects were effects that kept making sounds after you stopped playing. Like delay and reverb are two obvious ones. I really don't see chorus, flanger, or phaser behaving in this way and that's why I'm conflicted :) |
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nosi0
Gold Member
Netherlands
511 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 02:12:46
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Then why are there speed/rate knobs on the pedals?
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Edited by - nosi0 on 03/13/2009 02:13:16 |
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NB_Terry
Copper Member
Canada
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Posted - 03/13/2009 : 04:19:15
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quote:
Originally posted by azimuth
I always thought time-based effects were effects that kept making sounds after you stopped playing. Like delay and reverb are two obvious ones. I really don't see chorus, flanger, or phaser behaving in this way and that's why I'm conflicted :)
Chorus, flange and delay are just very short delay signals (around 50ms or so) with some modulation.
I used to own a great Boss DE-200 rack unit, and being able to dial in those sounds was really cool. Lots of tones in that piece of gear. |
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DrakeSequation
Bronze Member
USA
105 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 06:37:06
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| What about tremolo? It's definately NOT time-based, but frequently in the loop. |
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nosi0
Gold Member
Netherlands
511 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 08:31:26
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Ofcourse it is time based.
tremelo can either have a slow or high speed. it could go up and down once per second or 100 times per second. so how is that NOT time based? |
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Leeroyfunk
Silver Member
United Kingdom
400 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 09:51:07
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| The speed/rate knob on a phaser/flanger/chorus/tremelo pedal controls the speed/rate of modulation, i.e. fast/slow: They are all modulation effects. Reverb and delay are the only time-based effects. However, both time-based AND modulation effects are fine to go in an amp's effects loop. |
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james rock
Copper Member
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Posted - 03/13/2009 : 12:33:40
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| You dont have to use flange and phasers in the loop though I like them better before distortion (I think EVH ran them like this too) |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 12:57:49
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Hi james rock
Welcome to the forum from Australia.
Regards Dr. Bob  |
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nosi0
Gold Member
Netherlands
511 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 14:18:39
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| For my physics based mind modulation effects are time based. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 19:58:18
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Time based....also a lot of people reckon you should put them in a series effect loop rather than a parallel one because of that fact...
Pat Metheny the jazz guitarist gets his chorus sound by mixing two different time delays rather than using a conventional chorus effect....... |
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azimuth
Copper Member
Canada
26 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 21:18:32
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What I'm actually doing here is trying to figure out which effects to keep OUT of the "effects loop" on my NS-2. The manual states to leave Delay and Reverb out but I'm thinking it's really all "time based" effects should not go in the NS-2 loop.
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Leeroyfunk
Silver Member
United Kingdom
400 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 23:03:49
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I think most people assumed you meant an amplifier's fx loop, not a noise suppressor (i certainly did).
The NS-2 will cut off trails from a delay/reverb if you stop playing, but I can't imagine it will have much detrimental effect on phaser/flange/chorus, since these pedals don't create trails and their effect is only audible when you are playing, thus keeping the NS-2's "gate" open. |
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nosi0
Gold Member
Netherlands
511 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2009 : 04:37:27
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| You can put modulation effects in the NS-2 loop but it�s not necessary. Because if you just put the distortion in the NS-2 loop there will be no/very little signal triggering your modulation effects after the NS-2 loop. |
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Time Based effects?
