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mattpas
Bronze Member
USA
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 Posted - 03/28/2006 : 02:11:41
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How great would it be if Boss did a special edition run of their classic pedals and made them exactly how they used to with all the same components.
It would be great to see a Made in Japan reissue line of the DS-1, PH-1, OD-1, CE-2, DM-2, SP-1, and SG-1. |
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arcanon1313
Silver Member
USA
414 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2006 : 05:36:01
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Don't forget the VB-2!   |
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stahlhart
Platinum Member
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Posted - 03/28/2006 : 06:33:30
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I don't think that the original analog delay ICs are available any longer, unfortunately. Though we did see a resurrection of vacuum tube production in Russia and China after the U.S. facilities ceased to exist (driven primarily by the musical instrument business), so you'd have to wonder if you'd see a similar thing with semiconductor manufacturing.
C.K.
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lazzrath
Bronze Member
Canada
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Posted - 03/28/2006 : 08:29:46
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| I've long thought that that would be a great idea. Call it maybe, 'Platinum Edition', and have names like DS-1P and PH-1P, and for a classy touch add platinum bevels, or just a platinum plate to top the knobs. Though I don't think Boss would really see that much profit (aside from us collectors) with other manufacturers currently releasing cheaper stompbox alternatives (Danelectro FAB pedals, etc...) That seems to be where the market is going. I would love to see it, but I don't think Boss/Roland would consider that a very worthwhile idea, from a business standpoint. It is also interesting to note that the price of their pedals dropped around the new year. |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2006 : 08:45:11
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Well, I don�t know�. That would make more pedals to buy to the collection�. I have most of the �hard-to-get� right now and I would certainly buy Platinum editions, and spend more money.....
But at the same time Fender Custom Shop makes great �copies� of pre-CBS strats so we can afford at least replicas of the real thing, they are even better than most of the vintage stuff.
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
3652 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2006 : 17:00:15
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I don't think it would be a good idea. I'd much rather see some new pedals. A new analog delay would be cool.
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redzone
Copper Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/28/2006 : 22:12:59
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| I think Boss should go for some more boutique style effects with analog circuits and high quality components. Bring on the DM-5! |
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
2232 Posts |
Posted - 03/29/2006 : 01:32:07
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visserman
Platinum Member
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Posted - 03/29/2006 : 21:35:16
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I do not like the idea at all, and also do not dig the idea of Boss making "Boutique" kind of pedals. What is the point really?? Boss pedals were supposed to be cheap, reliable and universal. Bosspedals are not really something special, but some of us collectors may pretend they are.
Bring out a "Reissue First Issue pedal"? Well ......................
OD-1 is now OD-3
Current DS-1 sounds very similar to DS-1 first issue
VB-2?? Any of the current choruspedals can give you a similar sound, okay it is not the same but very very near so..............
TW-1?? Go to the AW-3, this is the premiumversion of the TW-1!!
SP-1?? Mnnnnnnnnnnnnn, you really want a one-band parametric EQ???!!!
PH-1 is now PH-3!!!
SG-1...................okay this I am not sure about, but I think that with a delay and a nice vibrato you can create similar and even better effects!! Go and be creative folks!!! [and forget the collector in for a while................lock him up in the cupboard and do not feed him for a while.......see how you feel yourself after some weeks......................]
GE-6 is now GE-7 [ and is a lot better I'd like to believe............!!!]
CE-2 is now CE-5.............or do you guys perhaps mean the CE-1 and all the other big grey pedals, should they reissue those perhaps??? Naaaa, come on, they would not fit into your pedalboard that nicely so...............let us please forget about those shall we??!!!
Okay I know how some of you feel about this issue, but still ...........I believe it is a bad idea. Much better to pay premium prices for the real thing Then you know at least that you own something authenthic. Just do not go too crazy with the price................and eh..........no I do not sell pedals, I only use them, so not really hyping prices here, just expressing my inner utmost feelings about this issue............... |
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phostenix
Gold Member
USA
754 Posts |
Posted - 03/29/2006 : 22:42:29
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I'd guess that Boss knows its market well enough to know that "vintage" guys don't like re-issues either. Re-issues are seemingly always criticized as not sounding like the original. Let's face it, even if Boss could somehow pull all the NOS parts out of a warehouse to build 70's & 80's vintage pedals, the internet "experts" would quickly inform us that 2006 air molecules had crept into the solder joints during the wave soldering process, thereby destroying the vintage mojo of the re-issue pedals, rendering them cold & sterile sounding. 
Tooling up a new factory in Japan would cost millions of $$, so that'll never happen. There's no way they'd ever make enough selling a niche product to recoup the cost.
The BBD chips can still be found in 1000's quantities, but Boss needs 10,000's quantites to produce the amount they do. Someone is producing the MN3207 equivalent that Visual Sound & others are using, but, of course, these aren't vintage so they're gonna be rejected by the vintage guys, again.
Then there's the opamp debate. Which one should they use for the re-issues? If you've ever taken the time to read all the talk about 4558 op amps, you know that 2 people can't agree on which brand or vintage of those is "the best". Boss used lots of different opamps over the years that can't be found in quantity anymore.
My point is that vintage gear lovers will always want vintage gear. Re-issues won't satisfy them. SP-1's aren't $300+ because they are such a desired effect. People want them because they're old & collectable.
The boutique market exists to try to fill the demand for simple, good sounding analog effects, including replicas of "classics". And they ain't exactly cheap, either. Behringer & Danelectro are going after the low end of the market for people who are O.K. with quantity over quality.
The other trend I see in Boss' product line is that they've always liked to add functionality & features as products develop. I don't know if this is driven by the US market as much as maybe the Asian market. Things like the PH-3 come to mind for me. I love the sound of a simple 4 stage phaser w/o feedback - the PH-1. By the time you get to the PH-3, I can't find what I'm looking for anymore. Things like the twin pedals appeal to Boss as a manufacturer because they offer more bang for the buck. And they must appeal to the majority of buyers, or they wouldn't sell & Boss would dump them. Remember, that was the cause of the demise of the SG-1 & PQ-4, among others.
I think you'll continue to see Boss go where the bulk of the money is, namely digital modelling. It's matured as a technology enough that Line 6, Boss & others have some really solid products. The fact that Boss isn't introducing new compact pedals except the twins shows where they're putting their R&D money. I'm sure they will continue to produce the current lineup of compacts until people stop buying them, but I wouldn't expect Boss to go to the trouble of creating new or re-issue pedals at this point.
Grace and peace,
Steve
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