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Frederick
Copper Member
Belgium
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 Posted - 09/23/2009 : 12:23:36
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Hi Guys
I might be posting this thread in the wrong forum section (if so, my apologies).
In my twelve years of playing guitar have never used the effects loop on my amps. However, I've been reading a lot about the benefits (tonewise) of using the loop.
I've also read that only time-base effects should be put in the loop.
The problem I am now facing is that I have one big pedal board I use live where all my pedals are on (a mix of time-based and non-time-based, i.e. wah, overdrive, tuner).
Is the only solution to use the effects loop having 2 separate pedalboards (one with time-based pedals connected to the loop and another one between guitar and amp input)?
Thanks for any 'input',
Frederick |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2009 : 14:04:00
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| I WOULD TRY IT OUT TO SEE WHO IT SOUNDS. you might not like it |
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silvertone6120
Gold Member
USA
609 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2009 : 15:10:14
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That has been my impression, although I'm certainly not an expert on the subject. Two pedalboards...one with overdrive/distortions at your feet, then the time-based effects in a separate board for the loop. Too much of a pain in the butt for me personally.
I've never really been into loops either(that's why I'm not an expert on this), but earlier this year I bought a Mesa Boogie amp with a loop, and just out of curiosity I ran my RE-20 through it to see how I liked it. Long story short, it's just not for me. I'll keep all devices at my feet where I can access them easier. |
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phostenix
Gold Member
USA
754 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2009 : 15:51:01
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| Are you guys (that don't use loops) not using your amps for distortion? Usually, chorus & delays don't work well in front of distortion, so unless you are using dist pedals in front of them, it seems like not using an effects loop would be a problem. Pitch shifters are another effect that really need to be in front of distortion. |
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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
1309 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2009 : 16:37:28
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quote:
Originally posted by Frederick
Is the only solution to use the effects loop having 2 separate pedalboards?
No, you could put it all on one board, but separated into 2 groups.
- Group 1 is for everything in front of the amp (tuner, wah, overdrive), this is where you plug in your guitar, through the pedals and into the amp.
- Group 2 is for all modulation and timebased effects (chorus, delay) this gets connected between the fx send and return.
So, in total you'll be needing 4 guitar cords. |
Edited by - Dirk on 09/23/2009 16:38:03 |
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silvertone6120
Gold Member
USA
609 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2009 : 18:07:00
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Originally posted by phostenix
Are you guys (that don't use loops) not using your amps for distortion?
No. I set my amp for a "semi-clean" sound...in other words, a slight bit of natural tube drive on my signal. Most would consider it very clean, but I hear tube warmth in my signal. For the record I'm not a huge distortion fan.
My setup is simple: Guitar > TU-2 > Keeley BD-2 > CE-5 > DM-2 > Mesa Boogie Mark I amp(set fairly clean; volume 1 @ 3 or 4, volume 2 @ 6 to 8[depending on how much hair I want], master volume between 1 and 2 depending on the venue). Mark I amps are really great to dial down the distortion and go for a good semi-clean sound...that really surprised me about this amp when I bought it. |
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phostenix
Gold Member
USA
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Posted - 09/23/2009 : 18:22:25
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Originally posted by silvertone6120
[Mark I amps are really great to dial down the distortion and go for a good semi-clean sound...that really surprised me about this amp when I bought it.
I've always connected Mesa with heavy distortion sounds, too. I was surprised to find that the Mesa rhythm setting in the GT-Pro sounds so great. I use it for almost all of my clean sounds now. The JC120 sounds like a JC120, the Twin sounds like a Twin, but the Mesa patch has a great warm clean sound that breaks up a little when pushed. |
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PaulH
Gold Member
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Posted - 09/23/2009 : 20:23:50
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Loops only work best if they're serial rather than parallel.
Mesa amps have parallel loops ( they mix the amp sound with the effect sound). |
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Frederick
Copper Member
Belgium
46 Posts |
Posted - 09/24/2009 : 10:20:19
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Thanks for the replies, guys.
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Originally posted by Dirk
No, you could put it all on one board, but separated into 2 groups.
- Group 1 is for everything in front of the amp (tuner, wah, overdrive), this is where you plug in your guitar, through the pedals and into the amp.
- Group 2 is for all modulation and timebased effects (chorus, delay) this gets connected between the fx send and return.
So, in total you'll be needing 4 guitar cords.
Dank je voor de suggestie, Dirk. |
Edited by - Frederick on 09/24/2009 10:21:16 |
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Effects loop and pedalboards
