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visserman
Platinum Member
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 Posted - 01/14/2008 : 13:49:33
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Okay silly topic? Perhaps!!
Heh what is Metal really, isn't it a hard surface!!
Okay, been going through the overdrives and distortions through several amps, because of ongoing search for that tone, and disbelieve that I really have found it.
Using the MT2 [one I do not use too often] I can't help feeling that this pedal is so good, but it makes me want to play.........guess what?? Yep, and it is really good at that.
In the manual it gives you quite a few different settings, from 70s rock to different Metal sounds.
I know most of you love this pedal, so whenever you use it, do you really go for that Metal sound?
In a way, the pedal is so extreme, that when you would like other sounds from it you really need to be very careful with the settings, and that is where I probably go for another pedal, hence me not using this one too often. |
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
1418 Posts |
Posted - 01/14/2008 : 13:52:46
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| I like the MT-2 so much I own 2 of them, and I liked them even more once I sent them out to Keeley to get modded. The modding by Keeley seems to gives the controls more affect on the sound. I guess what I play through is closer to metal than any other kind of music... |
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Fabius
Silver Member
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Posted - 01/14/2008 : 14:38:03
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[AUTO INDUCTION MODE ON]
I've must to resist, I DON'T need a MT-2, I still have OD-3 and DS-1... I don't need it... I don't need it... I don't need it...
[AUTO INDUCTION MODE OFF] |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 01/14/2008 : 14:45:23
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Hi visserman, jack & guys.
Like yourself visserman, I to experimented with the 70's rock setting, & found it to be very usable, with slight tweaks, for single & humbucker p/ups.
But like you mention, the setting/s can be a bit touchy.
Your post has renewed my interest in this pedal;
I might have to revisit it, next time I get out of storage.
As I recall, I never really had a reason why I stopped experimenting with it.
Maybe it was the name - Metal Zone....
My MT-2 was part of a bulk buy of pedals very early last year.
Regards Dr. Bob |
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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
1309 Posts |
Posted - 01/14/2008 : 18:01:45
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For some reason all guitarplayers with MT-2's (or similar high gain "metal" pedals for that matter) I've seen so far sounded like
shit both in their rehearsal spaces and live on stage.
Why? I've asked myself numerous times and basically the conclusion is that about 98% of 'em were beginner players who thought that distortion lets you get away with murder.
Now, as most more experienced players will agree with me, it's on the contrary, a metal type sound with lots of gain, bass and treble and little to no mids may sound cool in itself, but in a band situation it's catastrofic.
Especially if you have 2 guitar players with the exact same sound.
Can you tell who's playing what, let alone hear the poor bassplayer (usually with a similar midscooped sound), funny how those guys always end up complaining that the sound onstage was crap while it was their own fault.
In the end most of those players learn that tubes are the way to go, and sell their pedal to some other ignorant beginner guitarist who'll probably end up selling his pedal to the next......
Well you get the idea  Just my rant.... |
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alex_law
Silver Member
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Posted - 01/14/2008 : 20:07:32
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I agree with Dirk.
If you listen, really listen, to "classic" metal recordings, the gain is waaaay lower than one might think and the mids are in your face. Dig out a copy of something like Megadeth's "So far so good... So what!", and you'll hear loud tube amps with plenty of midrange clarity, not high-gain buzz.
It's all about psychoacoustics. You want the audience to feel the crunch without destroying your signal in the process. |
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pedals 4 pv
Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 01/14/2008 : 23:04:00
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| I have to agree that it's hard to find that Metal Zone sound on any of the classic 70' and 80's recordings, but I dont think it was too popular before it's introduction in 1991. The MT-2 has such a wide range of sounds available, that its biggest drawback is the touchiness of the controls, it is the only pedal that I've had to consult the chart from the manual for settings. I don't use mine much anymore because of that reason, and I find the HM-2 easier to control. The reason that Boss has sold more MT-2's than any other pedal is that it is lots of fun. And as I have said before, fun is the whole point, and as a beginner, if your not having fun you may well quit, and a couple of pedals to "hide behind" can really put the fun back into the mix. The Metal Zone's wide range of sounds makes it a good choice for a beginner's first distortion pedal, plus you get an EQ of sorts. Any 16 year old that can't piss off their folks with their Christmas Strat Pack and a Metal Zone, is incompetent and should quit guitar while they 're ahead. |
Edited by - pedals 4 pv on 01/14/2008 23:48:32 |
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
2232 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2008 : 00:32:20
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i agree with Dirk. its not that its a bad pedal but i also notice that the kid with too much distortion and not enough technique is always using a MT-2.
alex_law, i LOVE the Megadeth reference, and especially love the So Far So Good reference. Into the Lungs Of Hell is THE song that got me hooked on the Deth! Mustaine actually mentioned that in a Guitar World interview a few years ago. this is basically what he said
GW: so Dave why didnt you use the scooped mid sound that so many other bands were using back then
Mustaine: cuz that sounds gay
haha either love mustaine or hate him
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alex_law
Silver Member
168 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2008 : 01:31:46
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| Haha that sounds like Mustaine! I've only seen them live a couple of times (with Alice in Chains, when they released "Facelift"), but they were great. Wish I could have seen the lineup with Chris Poland. |
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
1418 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2008 : 03:36:29
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quote:
Originally posted by Dirk
For some reason all guitarplayers with MT-2's (or similar high gain "metal" pedals for that matter) I've seen so far sounded like
shit both in their rehearsal spaces and live on stage.
Why? I've asked myself numerous times and basically the conclusion is that about 98% of 'em were beginner players who thought that distortion lets you get away with murder.
Now, as most more experienced players will agree with me, it's on the contrary, a metal type sound with lots of gain, bass and treble and little to no mids may sound cool in itself, but in a band situation it's catastrofic.
Especially if you have 2 guitar players with the exact same sound.
Can you tell who's playing what, let alone hear the poor bassplayer (usually with a similar midscooped sound), funny how those guys always end up complaining that the sound onstage was crap while it was their own fault.
In the end most of those players learn that tubes are the way to go, and sell their pedal to some other ignorant beginner guitarist who'll probably end up selling his pedal to the next......
Well you get the idea Just my rant....
I've played for nearly 20 years, and the main reason why I like my Keeley modded MT-2 is because I can get a sound similar to Matt Pike from Sleep and High On Fire, who in the past has used Orange and Matamp, and now uses a Soldano and Laney head, through my cheap as sh!t solid state amp. I have the hi, mid, and low eq at about 1 o'clock, the mid freq at 11 o'clock, the gain at 3 o'clock, then everything on my 2x12 combos EQ (bass, mid, treble) all point point to the right, or at about 3 o'clock. I cut through the mix with the 4 piece band that I am in, rhythm and lead parts all cut through the mix. The other guitarist in the band who is actually the lead guitarist uses the no-mids scoop and always disappears into the mix when he plays the skinny strings on the little frets...
My MT-2 became more useful after sending it to Keeley, because the EQ knobs seem to be more functional. Plus the Keeley mod somehow adds clarity while not taking away from the gain. I don't know how I'd react to a stock MT-2 now, as I have had my Keeley modded MT-2s for almost 2 years now, but for me, the Keeley Modded MT-2 is more affordable and less back breaking than the Orange, Matamp/Green, and Laney amps I dream of some day owning... |
Edited by - jack on 01/15/2008 03:38:36 |
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visserman
Platinum Member
1072 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2008 : 12:01:50
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Good points by most of your folks, and perhaps obvious ones, but than the topic itself may open up to that so really..............
Interesting to see the FUN factor being mentioned, as that is definitly how I feel myself when I use this pedal.
Very versatile as well, but you need to use it in studio-applications as it takes some fiddeling to get the sounds you want, and yes, the sample settins in the manual are a very useful guide.
The pedal came out when the sound of Metal was adding more bass to its sound, and you can certainly get more bass out of the MT-2 compared to the HM-2.
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Johnrocks
Silver Member
Brazil
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
1418 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2008 : 15:48:44
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Originally posted by Johnrocks
Reb Beach uses that pedal too! Check the link for his pedalboard!
http://www.rebbeach.com/gear_gallery_pedals.htm
What even more interesting is that Warren Haynes of Gov't Mule/Allman Brothers fame has an MT-2 in his set up as well.... |
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Johnrocks
Silver Member
Brazil
175 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2008 : 03:02:18
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Originally posted by jack
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Originally posted by Johnrocks
Reb Beach uses that pedal too! Check the link for his pedalboard!
http://www.rebbeach.com/gear_gallery_pedals.htm
What even more interesting is that Warren Haynes of Gov't Mule/Allman Brothers fame has an MT-2 in his set up as well....
Very interesting! I�ll check his gear! |
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MERCYFULFATE
Copper Member
USA
45 Posts |
Posted - 01/22/2008 : 03:55:54
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a lot of the earlier rock/metal tones are had by the likes of the MXR distortion + or similar type pedals. |
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FatsoForgotso
Bronze Member
80 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2008 : 07:01:34
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I like the Sleep reference jack, Great band  |
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MT2, Who Uses it for Metal or perhaps???
