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bosshog
Silver Member

Canada
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Posted - 02/27/2008 :  01:04:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is it possible to use two Boss LS-2's together to create multiple loops?

DeFrag
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Posted - 02/27/2008 :  01:10:15  Show Profile  Visit DeFrag's Homepage  Click to see DeFrag's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Sure, just like nested IF statements!
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pedals 4 pv
Platinum Member

Canada
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Posted - 02/27/2008 :  01:29:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nested IF statements? Idiot Fringe? Ibanez Factory? Statemements from a nest of fringed idiots? C'mon DeFrag, tell us what a nested IF statement is, cause I can't figure it out.

Edited by - pedals 4 pv on 02/27/2008 01:44:13
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DeFrag
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Posted - 02/27/2008 :  02:10:11  Show Profile  Visit DeFrag's Homepage  Click to see DeFrag's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Oh, sorry. As in programming..

IF <condition#1> THEN
IF <condition#2> THEN do_something
ELSE
IF <condition#3> THEN do_something_else
ENDIF

They can "nest" as deep as you'd like.
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bosshog
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Canada
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Posted - 02/27/2008 :  03:05:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
DeFrag,

I am an musican dude. I am all about feel. And I just ain't feelin' this programming....

Can you draw a flow chart or diagram....

That would rock...

Thx
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DeFrag
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Posted - 02/27/2008 :  05:48:41  Show Profile  Visit DeFrag's Homepage  Click to see DeFrag's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Here you go hog.. you're making me work for it:



Every LS-2 you add, you only get another loop, not two. So that's an awful lot of cable running about.

Here's 4 loops:


If you're not set on mixing signals between loops, you very well may consider the following alternatives:

Many choices here:
http://www.loop-master.com

Good loopers:
http://www.loooper.com

More links to switching systems:
http://www.sixstringsoul.com/guitar-equipment/switching-systems/

Or if you want to make your own:
http://www.singlecoil.com/tb-strip/tbstrip.html

Edited by - DeFrag on 02/27/2008 08:10:51
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ptero
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Mexico
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Posted - 02/27/2008 :  07:45:11  Show Profile  Visit ptero's Homepage  Click to see ptero's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
And what about this?

Now you can have four loops with two LS-2's

Download Attachment: Two LS-2's setup.JPG
38.67�KB

Edit: Having problem to insert image in the post. Someone help me / fix it, please. Thanks

Edited by - ptero on 02/27/2008 07:50:31
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Dr. Bob
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Posted - 02/27/2008 :  08:56:31  Show Profile  Visit Dr. Bob's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ptero

And what about this?

Now you can have four loops with two LS-2's

Download Attachment: Two LS-2's setup.JPG
38.67 KB

Edit: Having problem to insert image in the post. Someone help me / fix it, please. Thanks



I just posted this info into the Tech & Faq's







Ptero you might have to rename your file & upload it again
Don't put spaces in the file name, and no - or '
I tried to link to your upload file but there seems to be something wrong with the file name
works all the other times???
Did it actually tell you it uploaded?

Try making the filename something like loops.jpg

Regards Dr. Bob


Edited by - Dr. Bob on 02/27/2008 09:01:51
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bossarea
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Posted - 02/27/2008 :  12:00:14  Show Profile  Visit bossarea's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The problem is actually the apostrophe. The stupid forum software replaced it with %20 instead of %27.

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Dr. Bob
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Posted - 02/27/2008 :  12:46:35  Show Profile  Visit Dr. Bob's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks Bossarea
I had a suspicion it was the apostrophe (')
I tried...

Regards Dr. Bob
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happyplucker
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/27/2008 :  13:33:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
how does the sound quality suffer from all this loopage? i have never used an ls-2
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FRANZONI
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Posted - 02/27/2008 :  14:19:34  Show Profile  Visit FRANZONI's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by happyplucker

how does the sound quality suffer from all this loopage? i have never used an ls-2



I use one all the time in my 'board and it's the most useful pedal i have for keeping things simple..........
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Leeroyfunk
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/27/2008 :  17:50:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by happyplucker

how does the sound quality suffer from all this loopage? i have never used an ls-2



In theory, you're just adding one extra buffer with each LS-2 used, so it shouldn't make a noticeable difference. I've used an LS-2 for nearly 10 years now, and i've never noticed any significant signal degradation - This is NOT the case with the PSM-5, though, which I owned very briefly before getting rid because of the signal loss.

If you want multiple loops, i think the most versatile set-up would include an LS-2 to switch between two different independent loops OR two simultaneous parallel loops, and another passive double looper that would allow you to select either loop or both in SERIES: The lack of a series option on the LS-2 is its only drawback in my opinion...
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Tele_Man
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Posted - 02/28/2008 :  02:33:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ouch, my head hurts now . . . can't . . . follow . . . all . . . the . . . lines.

This looks cool and makes me want to get an LS-2, but I don't understand any of the diagrams. I mean, I see where everything is going, but what is it good for? Can someone walk me through a diagram and explain to me exactly what this allows a player to do? I don't mean the question as a challenge to the usefulness of all this; I just can't follow it all.

I imagine that more and more loops will dilute my crappy playing and help me sound better? Right?

By the way, when I saw "M�nage � trois" in the topic, I thought this was going to be a much more interesting thread. Oh well.

Edited by - Tele_Man on 02/28/2008 02:36:35
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bosshog
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Canada
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Posted - 02/28/2008 :  03:03:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tele man,

To get tone secrets out of fellow bossareans you gotta be a little creative.

Future topics include Free Beer and how to do dotted delay eight notes!

So, tele man ls-2 allows me to use 2 chain of effects to switch from. So one verse can have a combination of (dist+overdr)* while the chorus could have (chorus + compression).*

Using two or more loops you can create an infinite amount of chains to choose from. So you could even add a new colour tone for a bridge. Luckily the LS-2 does this pretty well and does not turn into tone garbage...

The green and red buttons allow you to adjust each volume of each chain because older effects my be naturally louder or whatever.

Thanks to DeFrag, Dr. Bob and Bossarea for thier inputs!

I am thinking about buying another Ls-2 and implementing Bossareas suggestions...




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DeFrag
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Posted - 02/28/2008 :  04:08:11  Show Profile  Visit DeFrag's Homepage  Click to see DeFrag's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tele_Man

Ouch, my head hurts now . . . can't . . . follow . . . all . . . the . . . lines.

This looks cool and makes me want to get an LS-2, but I don't understand any of the diagrams. I mean, I see where everything is going, but what is it good for? Can someone walk me through a diagram and explain to me exactly what this allows a player to do? I don't mean the question as a challenge to the usefulness of all this; I just can't follow it all.

I imagine that more and more loops will dilute my crappy playing and help me sound better? Right?

By the way, when I saw "M�nage � trois" in the topic, I thought this was going to be a much more interesting thread. Oh well.



Basically, you can have "Loop #1" be your clean, melodic sound like for an intro with a Chorus, Acoustic Simulator or some other mild pedal(s). "Loop #2" can have an Overdrive or mild distortion as necessary for a good rhythm tone. "Loop #3" can run your lead sounds with say a Metal Zone, AutoWah, Delay or whatever. "Loop #4" can be yet another combination of rhythm or lead pedals as an alternate. Or, #4 can hold nothing more than a TU-2 for silent tuning.

The possiblities are endless.. especially if you start using the mixing functionality intrinsic to the LS-2. Most times, people like to have dedicated loops to "remove" pedals from the pedal chain when their not actually in use so they won't detract from tone if they happen to be non-True Bypass. Most of the PASSIVE loopers are best for this type of application but if they don't incorporate FET or optical switching circuitry, you can experience some slight pops or clicks when switching from one loop to another, or from loop to loop depending on the configuration.

If you have say a Metal & Flanger in a loop, on, & switched out.. you can switch to that loop with only one footpress on the LS-2 to INSTANTLY get your Metal/Flanger. This becomes even more useful as the number of pedals increase within a given loop so you won't have to dance around trying to engage the right pedals in short order when you need them.

In any case, the practicality of the Boss LS-2 is often overlooked. I've found myself needing different modes at different times & its been a focal point in my pedalboard. If all you need is A/B switching, you may also consider the Little Lehle Switcher: http://www.lehle.com. I've got 2 & absolutely could NOT live without them. But the sheer versatility, price, & power of the LS-2 certainly warrants its inclusion on any pedalboard IMFO.

Edited by - DeFrag on 02/28/2008 04:14:47
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