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SirJackdeFuzz
Bronze Member
South Africa
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 Posted - 07/09/2006 : 01:38:39
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Hi every one
I have zero modulation boxes - can't say i am too fond of them, but all my fav. bands use some sort of modulation.
I want to get very close to some of my fav. Psychobilly bands and some of the copntempary Rockabilly groups.
Groups like :
Reverend Horton Heat  , GoreGore Girls, HorrorPops, the Paybacks, Mad Sin, the Cramps, Hillbilly Hellcats, the Misfits, Stray Cats & Southern Culture on the Skids .
A lot of them use shimmerring/pulsating/vibrato effects.
Can anyone sugest some stompboxes that some of these bands might be using.
I know it is not such a popular genre, with all the, "Metal & yo-yo-yo RAP n'Hip Hop", out there, but some folks might know something about my genre too - right !?
Thank you all
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
2232 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2006 : 06:48:46
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the way i see it is you cant go wrong with a chorus pedal. ive never met anyone that doesnt like the sound of a chorus..
while flange and phase are also modulation, i find they are more specific, and seem to be more "one sound" only type pedals.
although flange/phase/chorus can all sound pretty similar, i personally recommend chorus. pick up a CE3..youll probably like it. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2006 : 10:58:37
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what about a tremolo...? i have the tr2 in my setup for those 'pulp fiction/dick dale' moments,it also sound cool for bluesy things ala ry cooder,john lee hooker,i would have thought that brian setzer would use tremolo even if it was built into his amp..? i think he also uses old echo units for some slapback.. ie tape echo....i know some of the old roland units have built in chorus....pat metheny gets his chorus effect by using echo on a fast repeat settings and mixing it with his orginal signal for a more natural effect...i think thats how the old guys invented chorus/flanger in the first place by messing around with echo units...maybe a good analog delay would be near enough to the 'sound' with no maintenance of the tape units.....  |
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SirJackdeFuzz
Bronze Member
South Africa
83 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2006 : 03:58:37
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Ahhh, so many options . . .
. . . so little knowladge.
After looking more into the subject, i now def. want at tremolo !!!
But the phase/flange/chorus-thing still boggles me !!!
I will look into the chorus too, as i kinda know what that pedal is s'posed to do, but know nothing of the other two !?
I will go and listen on the boss site again and see if i can hear some use for them . . .
Thank you, for everyhting so far !
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Dingus
Silver Member
USA
472 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2006 : 15:25:04
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| For Rockabilly you mostly only need some slapback delay |
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controlfreak
Silver Member
Ireland
337 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2006 : 16:07:18
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| a nice bit of spring reverb would give your tone a little brilliance. check out the boss RV-3 which has delay and reverb in just one little box! |
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SirJackdeFuzz
Bronze Member
South Africa
83 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2006 : 21:31:58
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Hi controlfreak - i cannot find the RV-3 on the Boss-site, i take it, it is an older production pedal ?
I do have an OK (well, for now anyways) reverb on my 'lil Blues Jr.
The reverb sounds even better when the amp is cranked !!!
Dingus, will any of the Boss pedals give me the slap-back delay that soo many are talking about ?
I think Dalelectro makes the REEL ECHO, that simulates a slap-back, but are those any good ?
Will rather use a Boss product . . .
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stahlhart
Platinum Member
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Posted - 07/10/2006 : 21:45:18
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Originally posted by SirJackdeFuzz
will any of the Boss pedals give me the slap-back delay that soo many are talking about ?
DM- , DD-
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Dingus
Silver Member
USA
472 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2006 : 22:05:06
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Yeah either the DM or DD series. If you're looking for something still in production the DD-3 and DD-6 are still in production, the DM series is out of production and will cost you more money for sure. "Slap-back Delay" or Echo is really just Delay at a lower (or read as quicker) time settings. For example, the DM-2 goes from 30 to 300 Miliseconds the 30 milisecond end would definitely be slapback delay, and you want to generally set the repeat rate pretty low. The delay time on the DD-3 goes from 12.5 to 800 miliseconds and would probably work just fine for what you are doing.
Here's a reference page for Rockabilly Amps & Effects:
http://www.the-jime.dk/Rockabilly_Guitar.htm#AMP
Note this part:
When you play your Fender Amp, don't use the built in Reverb that some of them have. Sure, the reverbs sound great, but when you're playing live only use an echo (I use a digital one - the Boss DD-3.) or else the sound will get too muddy for rockabilly when you use both an echo and the reverb. If you're into Surf music it's a whole different ballgame though. |
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SirJackdeFuzz
Bronze Member
South Africa
83 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2006 : 13:38:07
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WOW . . .
. . . thanx Dingus !!!
WHAT A GREAT SITE THAT IS !!!
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2006 : 21:31:58
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| I have two dd3's on my pedalboard both are mit,one of them is about 10 years old and this is the one i use for slapback if were doing some country... ie johnny cash or rock n roll, to give my guitar that whiplash sound of the 50's.... i find the older one to be a little dirter and warmer than the newer one but the newer one better for crystal clean repeats..i don't use reverb at all i just use the delays to give me some ambience(we do floyd,u2 etc and some of our own stuff)i never had a analog delay but the simulation in my pod xt pro sounds great(i only use it for recording these days)i have also heard great things about the dd 20 it has analog simulations and you can have 4 presets(i think)...but live its my dd3's all the way way way way........ |
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diggum12
Silver Member
USA
282 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2006 : 15:05:55
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You've met someone who hates chorus now, StratoSphere
If you're playing rockabilly, first and foremost get a great REALLY clean compressor, then get 2 good delay pedals, and set them up to slapback against each other, which will produce a chimy, almost chorus-like sound. The Boss DD-20 even has a 2 head model which can really get you close to what I mentioned above.
And yes, I did ebayed all of my chorus pedals a long time ago.  |
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boss freak
Gold Member
USA
663 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2006 : 04:57:55
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I can comment on the following:
Rev Horton Heat: The Rev. uses some Boss pedals, but only uses the DM-2 for making weird sounds, as in "Psychobilly Freakout". He uses vintage amps that have reverb and tremolo built in.
HorrorPops: Geoff Kresge uses a lot of different effects (all Boss pedals on his live pedalboard) including DM-2, TR-2, and PH-2 for modulation effects. Kim Nekroman uses a modeling amp that has some effects built in but seems like he's only using some delay as far as modulation is concerned.
Mad Sin: New guitarist Pete1 uses DD-2 and some sort of tremolo on his board.
The Cramps: would most likely never use a pedal unless it was the oldest crappiest sounding fuzz (I mean that in a good way). I'm sure Ivy is also using vintage amps, like The Rev., with reverb and tremolo.
Misfits: Not rockabilly or psychobilly, but they (Danzig era) never used any type of modulation effects that I'm aware of. Maybe some tape echo on something like "American Nightmare".
Stray Cats: Setzer in definitely in the "vintage amp" camp. He uses an Echoplex or Roland Space Echo and a Fender standalone reverb unit. |
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SirJackdeFuzz
Bronze Member
South Africa
83 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2006 : 13:24:40
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Wow, Boss Freak, looks like you know all about good music
. . . so i am going to "dump" this on you !
I have an Ibanez Artcore, (full-hollow) that will be getting SD Phat Cats oh, soo soon !
And a Gretsch Electromatic ($800.00) is on the cards my mid '07 - "i hope".
Amp, right now, is a Blues Jr. (good for now !)
What is the most basic stompbox FX-chain for the above mentioned groups that you can come up with ?
Boss, or/and "other" brands.
(i'll admit, EHX looks very 'decent' to me right now)
PS:
. . . other groups that i am also into:
12 step rebels
the gossip
guana batz
los gatos locos
the meteors
mojo nixon
(some) nekromanix
. . . OK, so you get the idea !
(also) keep in mind i am new to modulation, so i do not know a good delay from a "bad" delay !??
THANX for all your time on this matter !
Later, mate. |
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boss freak
Gold Member
USA
663 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2006 : 09:01:48
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I can help out a bit here.
12 Step Rebels: Digitech Hot Rod Distortion and Digitech Multi Chorus
Los Gatos Locos: Ibanez TS9, maybe some reverb from the amp
The Meteors: Nothing but vintage gear. No pedals that I've ever seen.
Nekromantix: see Mad Sin - their lead guitarist is formerly of Nekromantix
If you want to be able to capture some cool sounds and are playing 'billy music (old school or new school), I'd suggest getting yourself a Tube Screamer or a Boss SD-1, a DM-2 or DD-2 and a TR-2 as far as pedals go. Guitar wise, I'd suggest saving up for a Gretsch (the real deal, not an Electromatic) or a Fender Telecaster. Either that or throw some TV Jones pickups in your current axe. Save a bit of money and get pretty close to the sound you're chasing! |
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SirJackdeFuzz
Bronze Member
South Africa
83 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2006 : 02:25:47
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Bugger me . . .
. . . thanx alot Boss Freak !
I take it you listen/play/live the same type of music that i do ?
Or do you just happen to know all of this ?
Man, so you think that i should get a REAL GRETSCH, then ?
Seeing as i am moving to Toronto, sometime in mid '07, i'll see what the second hand market has to offer !
Come to think of it, i would LOVE to have a Brian Setzer Hot Rod
I'll also keep my eyes on eBay !
Although, i have not heard very good stories about buying axes on that site !???
Pedals that i have so far:
BD-2
SD-1 (Keely mod)
RAT
Zakk Wylde OD
Small Clone Chorus
Big Muff
EQ
TS9 RI
Whammy
Yes, i still need a trem, very badly !!!
Is the Boss TR-2's vol. drop really that bad ?
Oh, and is there ANY OTHER BANDS that you know off, that i can look into ?
I listed most of them through out this thread, beginning at the very first one.
Remember if they are not avalable on Amazone there is NO WAY that i can get hold of the disc's, so any help in this matter will be extremely helpfull too !
If i may bo so bold as to ask, . . . "what do you use, gear wise ?"
Seeing that you know soo much about the music that even my friends do not take the time to listen too ?
AGAIN . . .
. . . thank you very much ! |
Edited by - SirJackdeFuzz on 08/07/2006 02:33:24 |
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Modulation needed for Rocka/Psychobilly
