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svengali
Bronze Member
Australia
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 Posted - 08/23/2008 : 01:36:40
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hello,
I now have a functioning ph-1.
serial number 8700.
Stock ic's -2 x raytheon rc3403adb
Current ic's 2 x lm324n.
as stated, i have recently repaired this pedal.
I also have another boss phaser, the ph-1r.
When i started tone testing the ph-1 after the repair, i immediatley noticed the difference between the two pedals ( ph-1...ph-1r)
The ph-1r does not use 14 pin chips.
The stock ph-1 uses two raytheon rc3403adb chips ( the same as the
od-1a- b, and the same as the sp-1)(( In the ph-1 these changed later to jrc 14 pins))
The sound of the ph-1 at first sounded 'weird' as i was used to the ph-1r.
It sounded...milder, yet, more detailed? strange, i know.
Anyway, i kept playing and playing...and playing.. and playing.
I have decided that the first ph-1 pedal is amazing.
its got kind of a different sound to the ph-1r...more..digestible?
When used with a very mild compressor in front of it, the result is stunning, in my view.
The kind of music i play with this setup is not heavy distorted, more..floyd.
My interest in the pedal led me to purchase another, s/ screw, stock mint version.
these are cheap, which is a very good thing.
That stock pedal arrives in a couple of days.
I am going to compare the sound of the raytheons to the lm324n's and i shall report the differences here.
My prediction is that there will be very little difference.
i base my prediction not on data, but a hunch.
footnote.
seeing as this repaired ph 1 is a bit uh..rough, i experimented with the pot inside the pedal.
at first the bastard didnt want to turn. They really jam after time.
anyway, with a firm yet gentle twist, the pot turned and the effect was very interesting.
i tuned the pedal to have a ever so slightly fatter sound.
There is no free lunch as i noticed the highs dropped slightly.
I dont recommend this with untouched pedals as they have already been tuned for those stock chips.
svengali
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2008 : 01:39:35
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I have the PH-1R and I've long suspected that the PH-1 was a "more detailed" beast. I'm keeping my eye out for a deal on one...
I will be VERY interested to hear the difference between a mint one and your LM324 one. Please keep us posted. |
Edited by - Laurie on 08/23/2008 01:39:59 |
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2008 : 02:47:44
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i've got an 8800 ph-1 that i happened to impulse buy on ebay 1 day after buying a ph-1r from someone here. scored the ph-1 fairly cheap.
i shot them out against each other and i found it to be no contest that i preferred the ph-1... which always seems odd since the 1r is more heralded.
i like my modulation effects to sound huge and full in overall tone but with the effect to have a subtlety to them. too many modulation effects sound like "samples of what this modulation effect sounds like" in that they are up front, over the top and almost completely eat the original clarity and dynamics of the signal.
i used to play old phase 90's and i found the ph-1 is a lot closer to those than the 1r. |
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svengali
Bronze Member
Australia
111 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2008 : 23:23:51
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impulse buying.....yeah  |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2008 : 00:19:16
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quote:
Originally posted by zentropa
i used to play old phase 90's and i found the ph-1 is a lot closer to those than the 1r.
And so you sold the PH-1R to me  |
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2008 : 02:34:15
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impulse buying.....yeah
well... i paypal'd the PH-1R the night before... got home from work and there was a PH-1 w/ a BIN of like $120 and a starting bid of $70 that had 0 bids and 2 mins left on the auction. i bid $70 and won it... and laurie ended up with the PH-1R. |
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svengali
Bronze Member
Australia
111 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2008 : 21:53:12
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i have received my new ( it does actually look brand new, we'll soon fix that) serial 8200 ph-1.
there is absolutely no discernible sound difference between it, and a serial 8700 ph-1 that i have, that has two lm324n chips instead of the raytheon rc3403adb.
these pedals are wonderfully transperant.
my ph-1r in comparison, sounds like an emulation...a keyboard...a cosm effect minus the hiss.
regards
svengali |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2008 : 22:56:38
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quote:
Originally posted by svengali
i have received my new ( it does actually look brand new, we'll soon fix that) serial 8200 ph-1.
there is absolutely no discernible sound difference between it, and a serial 8700 ph-1 that i have, that has two lm324n chips instead of the raytheon rc3403adb.
these pedals are wonderfully transperant.
my ph-1r in comparison, sounds like an emulation...a keyboard...a cosm effect minus the hiss.
regards
svengali
Interesting.........
I am very happy that i own a PH-1R, but I am certainly seeking a PH-1 for the right price. |
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starr36
Platinum Member
Canada
1172 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2008 : 23:13:35
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I have been swearing over the usefulness of the PH-1r... not only because of its cool 'r' designation ... and now I must search out a PH-1. I always suspected that the PH-1 would be more organic with only the two knobs ... ala CE-2 which is wonderfully organic.
To ebay I will go, to ebay I will go... hi ho the dario, to ebay I will go. |
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timbo
Silver Member
Australia
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starr36
Platinum Member
Canada
1172 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2008 : 23:05:01
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Originally posted by timbo
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and why is the ph1r considered to be better? i have never heard a ph1, but i do own a transitional period mxr phase 90 which to me sounds alot more organic than the ph1r.
In my experience, the PH2 is really a 'funky' sounding pedal, the PH-3, sound to me 'thin' but the PH-1r, has a really sweet and smooth 'swooosh' to it if the rate and depth are kept on the shallow side; increasing the resonance ads really nice harmonic overtones and increasing the depth .. make a very deep swoosh. this is really just a matter of personal preference, mind you, and well, one needs to hear some sound clips and 'experiment'. the fabulous thing about eBay is that ... with patience ... you can probably buy everything you would ever want to try out and then resell it if you can get a good handle on the prices etc. The r for resoncance control, ads a whole new layer of sound compared to the PH-1, but reading this thread, its apparent that the PH-1r even with the resonance knob at minimum, does not sound as orgranic as the PH-1, and for this reasona lone, i HAVE TO GET ONE to hear it for myself! |
Edited by - starr36 on 09/07/2008 23:06:52 |
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eddyrox
Copper Member
USA
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Posted - 09/08/2008 : 07:53:03
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need to move my Boss PH-1. Raytheon IC chips.
Please email for pix.
thanks
mike |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 09/09/2008 : 13:56:17
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quote:
Originally posted by eddyrox
need to move my Boss PH-1. Raytheon IC chips.
Please email for pix.
thanks
mike
Hi eddyrox
Welcome to the forum from Australia.
While you are new here, & the fact that not everyone agrees with the rules on posting sales.
Please be aware that there is a rule about posting a sale on your first post.
http://www.bossarea.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=76
But in the end, I guess it's really up to Bossarea.
I guess if your intention is to stick around, & not just use the forum as a sales area, things should be fine.
Regards Dr. Bob
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ph-1 underrated?
