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aaronharmon
Silver Member
USA
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 Posted - 01/24/2010 : 01:24:32
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This is Egnater version of the same amp. Actually to be more precise, this is Egnater's 50 watt head, his 100 watt MTS head is called the MOD100. The modules are interchangeable, meaning you can use Egnater modules in the Randall amp and vice versa. There is only one caveat. Later Egnater modules included an A/B voicing setting. Randall amps (and early MOD100s for that matter) need to be modified to take advantage of the B voicing.
There are a few videos in the review as well. |
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nosi0
Gold Member
Netherlands
511 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2010 : 01:32:34
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| Yeah it's unfotunate that it's hard to get here. But it works the same vice versa. Try buying ENGL, Diezel and Hughes and Kettner amps in the US. |
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aaronharmon
Silver Member
USA
271 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2010 : 01:37:44
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Originally posted by nosi0
Yeah it's unfotunate that it's hard to get here. But it works the same vice versa. Try buying ENGL, Diezel and Hughes and Kettner amps in the US.
Yeah those amps (ENGL, Diezel and Hughes and Kettner) are stupid expensive here in the states. |
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jackderringer
Silver Member
USA
153 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2010 : 07:55:40
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oh my god. i really think this might be the coolest thing i've ever seen in my whole life. i mean, for a minute there i was saying to myself "if only they made this rackable, it's begging to be racked" and then BAM! i now have my heart set on this. looks like i'll be sneaking $5 here and there from the wife for the next two years! i just wish there was a way to try out the different mods.
one thing i've never understood is why oh why is rack stuff so much more expensive??? i understand that rack stuff is usually higher end but that power amp costs about the same as the 100w head and then you still have to shell out $6-700 for the rm4! let alone the modules, you're looking at $2500 unless you buy used!
how long has randall been producing these?
one other thing, why would they choose to put their direct outs on the cabs rather than on the heads? i've never seen this before. |
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aaronharmon
Silver Member
USA
271 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2010 : 09:02:26
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Originally posted by jackderringer
oh my god. i really think this might be the coolest thing i've ever seen in my whole life. i mean, for a minute there i was saying to myself "if only they made this rackable, it's begging to be racked" and then BAM! i now have my heart set on this. looks like i'll be sneaking $5 here and there from the wife for the next two years! i just wish there was a way to try out the different mods.
one thing i've never understood is why oh why is rack stuff so much more expensive??? i understand that rack stuff is usually higher end but that power amp costs about the same as the 100w head and then you still have to shell out $6-700 for the rm4! let alone the modules, you're looking at $2500 unless you buy used!
how long has randall been producing these?
one other thing, why would they choose to put their direct outs on the cabs rather than on the heads? i've never seen this before.
Because it allows you to record (or plug into a PA) from your speakers under load just as if you were putting a mic in front of the cab. You get to maintain the character or your speakers and cabinet. Think of it as cabinet modeling within a cabinet. Another advantage is that it is much more consistent than actually micing the speakers. Your mic placement is identical every time. |
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aaronharmon
Silver Member
USA
271 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2010 : 09:09:07
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As far as the rack gear being more expensive. The RT2/50 is actually two 50 watt amps that you can run independently (as in, in stereo) and you can use different powertubes for each of the two 50 watt amps. It is very versatile.
I've had mine (RM100) about 2 years and they were around for at least two years or so before that I believe.
Be warned though. I don't think that you can ever go back once you make the switch. |
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jackderringer
Silver Member
USA
153 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2010 : 19:00:52
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i guess i don't understand how placing a direct out in the cab would get the character of the speakers and cab.
unless it has a digital modeling circuit inside, but that seems to be contrary to randall's entire philosophy. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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Posted - 01/24/2010 : 20:26:05
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Originally posted by jackderringer
i guess i don't understand how placing a direct out in the cab would get the character of the speakers and cab.
unless it has a digital modeling circuit inside, but that seems to be contrary to randall's entire philosophy.
Most of the top session/sidemen... guys like Larry Carlton,Lukather,Mike Landau,Scott Henderson still insist on a mic on the speaker as the speaker is very important to the overall sound so i'm with Jack on this aspect..i also have posted i am very impressed with the concept of these amps...and with egnaters stuff as well..Randalls Nuno Bennebcourt sig head is also a very nice looking amp that got a good review in the latest edition of 'guitarist' but as people have pointed out it's very pricey this side of the pond for an amp that was assembled in China i could buy Dr Z 50 watt head for a couple of hundred euro more and it's a hand built USA made amp that getting rave reviews or one of the Ceritone amps made in Malaysia..hand built clones of classic amps(Dumbles,Marshalls,Hi-Watts Fenders etc) that also are getting rave reviews for tone....even egnater has started to come around to the price thing and has brought the price down on his rebel and renagade series of amps and cabs..BTW i have nothing against stuff made in China i have some acoustics that were made there and they are fine instruments plus other bits of gear as well but i thought the whole idea to manufacture in China was to bring the street price down...sort of defeats the purpose ..... i also agree about the rack stuff..not so much randall but marshall and engl charge outragous prices for their rack mounted gear...even if it is a stereo power amp their saving on building the cabinet,tone controls extra wiring and preamp sections from a regular head or even the combo versions are not much more than a regular head and thay have to build the speaker cab and supply a speaker... ...i can't figuge out how companies price their gear sometimes...and i also find it highly suspect that the US prices seem to just magically to 'appear' the same in sterling and even more in euro....for example the hendriksen jazz amp i looked at a while back was $1199 and by the time it got to the UK(the amp can't be gotten in Ireland) was ....you guessed..�1199...over a 400 euro difference...some shipping charge..... |
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aaronharmon
Silver Member
USA
271 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2010 : 20:31:26
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Originally posted by jackderringer
i guess i don't understand how placing a direct out in the cab would get the character of the speakers and cab.
unless it has a digital modeling circuit inside, but that seems to be contrary to randall's entire philosophy.
Let me look into that and get back to you. |
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JCDenton6
Bronze Member
USA
101 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2010 : 21:00:37
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| That really looks sick man |
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aaronharmon
Silver Member
USA
271 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2010 : 21:02:39
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Originally posted by FRANZONI
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Originally posted by jackderringer
i guess i don't understand how placing a direct out in the cab would get the character of the speakers and cab.
unless it has a digital modeling circuit inside, but that seems to be contrary to randall's entire philosophy.
Most of the top session/sidemen... guys like Larry Carlton,Lukather,Mike Landau,Scott Henderson still insist on a mic on the speaker as the speaker is very important to the overall sound so i'm with Jack on this aspect..i also have posted i am very impressed with the concept of these amps...and with egnaters stuff as well..Randalls Nuno Bennebcourt sig head is also a very nice looking amp that got a good review in the latest edition of 'guitarist' but as people have pointed out it's very pricey this side of the pond for an amp that was assembled in China i could buy Dr Z 50 watt head for a couple of hundred euro more and it's a hand built USA made amp that getting rave reviews or one of the Ceritone amps made in Malaysia..hand built clones of classic amps(Dumbles,Marshalls,Hi-Watts Fenders etc) that also are getting rave reviews for tone....even egnater has started to come around to the price thing and has brought the price down on his rebel and renagade series of amps and cabs..BTW i have nothing against stuff made in China i have some acoustics that were made there and they are fine instruments plus other bits of gear as well but i thought the whole idea to manufacture in China was to bring the street price down...sort of defeats the purpose ..... i also agree about the rack stuff..not so much randall but marshall and engl charge outragous prices for their rack mounted gear...even if it is a stereo power amp their saving on building the cabinet,tone controls extra wiring and preamp sections from a regular head or even the combo versions are not much more than a regular head and thay have to build the speaker cab and supply a speaker......i can't figuge out how companies price their gear sometimes...and i also find it highly suspect that the US prices seem to just magically to 'appear' the same in sterling and even more in euro....for example the hendriksen jazz amp i looked at a while back was $1199 and by the time it got to the UK(the amp can't be gotten in Ireland) was ....you guessed..�1199...over a 400 euro difference...some shipping charge.....
I do not understand pricing at all. I think that the long and short of it is that if you live anywhere in EU you generally get screwed on pricing when compared to the U.S. This even seams to be true with items manufactured in Asia. It also seams to be true across most industries as far as I know. It's not fair and I think it stinks. I wonder why some industrious person or persons doesn't take advantage of this and really make some serious money by selling this stuff at much more reasonable rates over there.
From my perspective, items manufactured in EU, or at least manufactured by companies headquartered in EU, tend to be costly here.
As far as build quality goes, it is very good. I am not going to claim that they are built as well as point to point hand wired American built amps, but the fact remains, they are very good.
After having one for over a year, there is not an amp out there that I would trade it for. boutique or otherwise. Anything else just wouldn't be as versatile.
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Pedal Dan
Silver Member
USA
419 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2010 : 22:49:53
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I Think the Marshall Stack is the coolest looking amp. If ya want versitile, throw a couple of pedals in front of it.  |
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aaronharmon
Silver Member
USA
271 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2010 : 03:44:05
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Originally posted by Pedal Dan
I Think the Marshall Stack is the coolest looking amp. If ya want versitile, throw a couple of pedals in front of it.
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aaronharmon
Silver Member
USA
271 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2010 : 03:48:35
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Nah, I'm just messin' with ya. The thing that I love about the Randall is that every time I want a new tone, I don't have to invest in a new head. I can pick up a used module for around a $120.00 or even trade one of my old ones.
Pedals are great, I have a lot of them, but there is something to be said for this amp because I rarely put pedals in front of it. It just sounds too badass to mess with the tone. |
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Pedal Dan
Silver Member
USA
419 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2010 : 04:28:05
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Yeah, but it's not a Marshall! Ha!!! Seriously, pedals make everything sound better. Boss pedals!  |
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killer amp you may not know about.
