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martinsomerville
Copper Member
Australia
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 Posted - 09/09/2008 : 14:00:02
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Hi all.
I play piano and want to use my DD-6. However it's not as rock as guitar playing ot reach down and tweak live (and quite hard - hard hat required).
I went to jaycar and asked about a solution and he gave me a soldering iron, some solder, a standard footswitch and a couple of little rca connector things aswell as some connecting wire. I was just going to solder to the circuit board switch points. There are two wires - green and purple, two points on the circuit board there but seems to be four points on the actual switch (still two wires though too).
I was all ready to start when my friend suggested that the DD-6 might not have a standard switch because it isn't an on/off pedal but has hold and tap functions.
Is there a way to find out where I should solder and what kind of switch is 1)existing in there and 2)what sort of switch I need to use all the functions.
any help would be great
thanks
martin |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 09/09/2008 : 15:10:10
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Hi martinsomerville
Welcome to the from from Australia (as well).
The switches used in Boss pedals are:
normally off momentary switches.
They are single pole, they only have 2 pins.
In fact from what I recall from the early 80's they are more like the old switches used on computer keyboards.
These type are available, & I know Altronics sells them.
I'm guessing the sales clerk at Jaycar gave to a DPDT Toggling foot switch,
as used on a lot of true bypass & homemade pedals.
This will not work properly, as it is a latching toggle.
If you solder the momentary switch in parallel to the one in the DD-6, Both should work.
And you should get all the same functions, like tap tempo on the parallel remote switch.
The mechanical details will be up to you.
Hope this helps?
Send us some pics of your modification.
Unfortunately, There are no internal pics of a DD-6, that I could find in the pedal internals thread.
http://www.bossarea.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4147
There are 9 pages of pedal internals to look at here.
But if you look in that thread, you will see many examples of the back of the momentary foot switch.
Regards Dr. Bob
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martinsomerville
Copper Member
Australia
14 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2008 : 15:20:33
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cheers bob
that sounds very helpful. I will have to consult with my friend who knows a lot more about these things than I.
If I get something working and it doesn't look too embarrassing, I'll whack it up for sure
thanks
martin
brissy :) |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 09/09/2008 : 15:41:09
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Hi martinsomerville
Off topic:
I see you're from Laurie's old part of town. Brisbane? |
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martinsomerville
Copper Member
Australia
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2008 : 16:03:21
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Hi martinsomerville
I meant:
Our Laurie, one of the the other Tech guys, from right here on the forum.
I'm sure you have read one of his may millions of Tech posts.
I guess the Jaycar switch/pedal that you sent the link to, will probably work, but do you actually want it to click.
And as ling as it's truly momentary (push to make).
You might have to put a non-slip rubber top on it,
if you are going to be using it live, & for fast tap tempo.
Regards Dr. Bob |
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martinsomerville
Copper Member
Australia
14 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2008 : 13:10:03
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so I did it. Thanks for your help Bob. It was fantastic to get your responses so quickly. This was the first soldering I had done.
It didn't work straight away and I had to rejig some connections and ended up making a bit of a meal of it, but it works now so I am happy. Hopefully stays good for a while. I have an isolated plug for the mono jack but I think I need a plastic washer aswell to stops any possibilty of shorting to case????
Below is the final product. I took some other photos. They just show my dodgey skills more than anything. Got a few shots of the inside of the DD-6 but don't know if I took the right shots.
Email me at figurine27@yahoo.com if you are interested.
cheers
martin |
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martinsomerville
Copper Member
Australia
14 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2008 : 13:12:14
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mmm. don't know where the uploaded photo went. anyway...
Image display code added by moderator.
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 09/11/2008 : 14:58:05
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Hi martinsomerville
It's Ok- as you can see I went & checked your uploads folder on the server.
So I don't have to re-log into Server under FTP.
What was the whole name inc .jpg of the file you uploaded?
I'll paste in the display code, into your previous post.
That way you can click on edit, & see what the HTML looks like.
Looks like a reasonably neat job Martin...
Regards Dr. Bob |
Edited by - Dr. Bob on 09/11/2008 15:04:17 |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 09/11/2008 : 15:46:53
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quote:
Originally posted by martinsomerville
Hey Bob,
yes that's right. Brisbane.
Laurie? Laurence?
I am thinking the fellow had dealt with boss pedals before as this is what he sold me -
G'day! I'm from Manly, temporarily relocated to Canada... (don't ask!)
Good to see you got the pedal sorted out! |
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martinsomerville
Copper Member
Australia
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Posted - 09/12/2008 : 15:12:06
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oh...canada. :)
Canada is cool. Sister in law from manatoba. I live in Taringa. Nice fish and chips at manly. I think it was manly.
Thanks bob and laurie.
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Edited by - martinsomerville on 09/12/2008 15:14:47 |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2008 : 15:45:32
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Hi martinsomerville
Thanks a lot for the pics, of your DD-6 remote foot-switch mod.
If you lived closer, I would have be happy to have done them for you.
The insulated socket was the right socket to use; Good thinking.
Nice quality pics as well, what Brand & Model of camera are you using?
Just noticed, was that a 3.5mm socket & plug that you used?
Regards Dr. Bob
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martinsomerville
Copper Member
Australia
14 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2008 : 16:02:08
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hi bob.
it's a pentax k-100D. Cheap Digital SLR (still not cheap).
I have been meaning to learn how to use it better.
Yeah it's a 3.5mm. That's what the jaycar people gave me. I queried him and he said "she'll be right. Only a small job"...or something to that effect.
Should I have used a 1/4"?
Thanks for the offer. I enjoyed doing it actually (well it was fiddly and frustrating at times but when it worked - all smiles and satisfaction). Can only get better hey!!
Jaycar originally gave me a stereo 3.5mm jack and a non-isolated socket, but my friend said I'll need an isolated one.
cheers
martin |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2008 : 16:52:04
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Hi martinsomerville
The 1/8 inch-3.5mm size should be Ok for now, I guess you will find out with time.
You might find that, the plug works its way loose.
But Gaffa fixes everything at gigs.
A muso friend of mine, who is into Star Wars, once told me
that Gaffa is like the Force, it has a White/Right side & a Dark side, & it holds the Universe together.
The 1/4 inch standard guitar plugs & sockets, are more robust & gig worthy.
Regards Dr. Bob |
Edited by - Dr. Bob on 09/12/2008 16:52:52 |
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martinsomerville
Copper Member
Australia
14 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2008 : 17:23:00
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Am sure I'lll be asking for help again (probably sooner rather than later - the RC-20XL looks much neater and complicated - It has 2 layers of circuit boards on quick inspection - jack board and other)
Not sure if I can apply the same as the DD-6 to the RC.
Will do some research!
Cheers,
Martin
ps....may the gaffa be with you.
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martinsomerville
Copper Member
Australia
14 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2008 : 18:48:09
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hi all
so I had a better look at the RC-20XL. The switches are pretty closely connected to the circuit board. No wires running around the place. It all looks very swish, except for the battery wires.
I did notice only 2 points though still. Hopefully this means the same normally off/open momentary switches. I guess I could have checked with a DMM. Check the resistance (for some reason my cheap DMM doesn't have a continuity checker - I did a youtube search for DMM so I now know more than nothing about them) across the two points with switch depressed and not, expecting zero resistance when pressed and infinity when not. I realise this is all basic stuff to everyone else but just saying my thoughts so when I am wrong, someone can correct me.
This tells me I can do the same as the DD-6 but will have to connect to the circuit board instead. I'll get my friend to do this I think as he said permanent damage can be done if too much heat is applied for eg. You'll all agree after checking the photos I am sure More practice required for me.
QUESTION: Can someone confirm that it has two momentary switches like the DD-6? or should I do some measuring. (I didn't because I am a bit more wary about this board - more expensive - more intricate, and I am not confident with the DMM and what damage, if any, it can do).
Also is there a good internet site (or youtube vids/book) so I can learn/relearn about basic electronics so I don't pester with simple questions. I seem to have forgotten all my schooling. V=IR. P=VI is all that springs to mind.
cheers
martin |
Edited by - martinsomerville on 09/12/2008 18:50:38 |
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