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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 02/12/2008 : 13:22:58
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Luca
Copper Member
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Posted - 04/03/2008 : 18:00:47
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the basic rule for me:
put the guitar in the fx chain.
all fx must be off
find the clean tone
then begin to colour the tone with pedals... |
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PaulH
Gold Member
535 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2008 : 13:10:23
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Garbage In = Garbage Out
All this tone sapping stuff is a myth.
Can anyone show me a demo (audio or video) of a pedal "sucking" tone.
In nearly 20 of playing I've still yet to see/hear it.
Tone/sound/whatever is all in your playing style (ie your fingers).
The way you strum, hold your pick, fret the notes, hammer-on, pull-off, bend, tap, etc.. gives you your tone.
That's why two guitarists, through an identical set up, playing the same tune, will NEVER sound the same.
Just remember that basic fact.
Every guitar play has a sound, no matter what they play through.
Even if I play a synthesiser, I get similar sounds to when I play guitar.
Why... because that's just how I play!!!!
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2008 : 15:19:09
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Originally posted by PaulH
All this tone sapping stuff is a myth.
Can anyone show me a demo (audio or video) of a pedal "sucking" tone.
In nearly 20 of playing I've still yet to see/hear it.
I've seen it with my own eyes/ears - a flanger that KILLED the tone when turned off (I think it might have been a BF-2 but couldnt swear to it).
Turn it on and it sounded great. Unplug it from the chain and the rest of the chauin sounded fine. Leave it plugged in and turned off and it took a big whack of the bottom end and the level out.
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PaulH
Gold Member
535 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2008 : 17:00:35
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My wife uses a BF2 on her bass.
Makes no difference to the frequency range wether it's on, off, or no even in the chain.
As I said 20 years of playing and some 30+ years of listening to music/watching live bands I've yet to see/hear a pedal "suck" tone away.
I've seen bands where a pedal has failed causing the roadies and singer/guitarist to panic (opening song for a Big Country gig in the late 80's).
But a pedal failure will ruin anyones sound.
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2008 : 17:11:20
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All I can say is I've seen it happen at least once <shrug>
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2008 : 03:57:15
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Wah wahs can be bad...i had some probs with crybabys over the years.....but as a rule i've never had a problem with a boss pedal that wasn't a simple fix...i.e a power supply cable or a bit of cleaner on a switch/jack..etc.... but being a myth,i would have to say no..i agree with getting a good basic sound out of an amp and using the pedals to colour the sound,but using any pedals or effect between your guitar and amp is going to affect the tone slightly..it's the compromise we make to get or have a range of sounds at our disposal on gigs....if i unplug the guitar from the pedalboard and straight into my amp i can notice the difference to be honest but i love my TR-2,DD-3s and twin tube classic overdrive too much to leave them out..i could probably get by without the CS-3 and CH-1 but they don't take up much space and the CS-3 is good for the clean lead breaks..... |
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2009 : 23:03:48
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quote:
Originally posted by PaulH
Garbage In = Garbage Out
All this tone sapping stuff is a myth.
Can anyone show me a demo (audio or video) of a pedal "sucking" tone.
In nearly 20 of playing I've still yet to see/hear it.
Tone/sound/whatever is all in your playing style (ie your fingers).
The way you strum, hold your pick, fret the notes, hammer-on, pull-off, bend, tap, etc.. gives you your tone.
That's why two guitarists, through an identical set up, playing the same tune, will NEVER sound the same.
Just remember that basic fact.
Every guitar play has a sound, no matter what they play through.
Even if I play a synthesiser, I get similar sounds to when I play guitar.
Why... because that's just how I play!!!!
ALl i have to say is tu-2 a tone sucking monster and alot here can back me on that |
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Shermock
Bronze Member
Sweden
61 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2009 : 00:17:55
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The guitar is the brain, the amp is the body then the pedals are clothes. When its time to fuck the clothes comes off. |
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starr36
Platinum Member
Canada
1172 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2009 : 04:51:18
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Plug your guitar straight into your amp.
Dial a loudness to fill the room.
Play some CLEAN riffs, for about 10 mintues... strum a few open chords.
Plug a SD-1 between your guitar and your amp, put minimal drive, leave the tone and level so they are neutral.
engage the SD-1, and disengage it.
play it for about 10 minutes strumming, at minute one, it will sound similar to what it did just before you plugged the sd-1 in now.
take the SD-1 completely out of the circuit.
you will find, the sd-1 buggered with the tone on your guitar.
(you need a good brand amp, maybe a 410 cab so you can actually hear what is going on)
but at the end of the day, LESS is MORE. |
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Foulacy
Bronze Member
USA
65 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2009 : 11:42:03
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| I've never noticed any latency issues ever when using pedals. I use 10 pedals regularly (4 in the loop, so I guess 6) with at least 50 feet of cord and i have no issues. In guitar center they have 20 boss pedals in a row and there's no latency either. Of course, There is tone suckage in my rig, but it's not bad and honestly I love pedals too much to care. I used to get all hissy fit about true bypass and ran things in loopers etc, but that was a pain. Now I just plug my guitar into my pedals, and into my amp. I'm sure this is how zeppelin, van halen, rush etc all did it back in their day. and imagine how bad THOSE pedals sucked tone... |
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
3409 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2009 : 15:51:13
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phostenix
Gold Member
USA
754 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2009 : 19:05:45
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Originally posted by DeFrag
Combine this latency with 1ms/ft between you & your amp or speaker & you'll soon perceive the inherent delay that has built up.
IIRC, electronic signals will travel through wires at near the speed of light which works out to about 1 nano second per foot. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2009 : 20:00:57
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quote:
Originally posted by Shermock
The guitar is the brain, the amp is the body then the pedals are clothes. When its time to fuck the clothes comes off.
not always.....  .... |
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Tone Loss Finale
