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ssanyee
Silver Member
Hungary
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 Posted - 08/05/2008 : 11:58:24
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Does anyone know it?
http://www.diokay.com/
What about the sound, does anyone heard them?
Some picture from this homepage:
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sp-1
Platinum Member
Germany
1454 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2008 : 12:01:33
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| It looks cool, but is this tube getting 300v ? I understand thats what it needs to work properly. Like those 'blackstar' pedals. |
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ssanyee
Silver Member
Hungary
288 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2008 : 12:10:58
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Originally posted by sp-1
It looks cool, but is this tube getting 300v ? I understand thats what it needs to work properly. Like those 'blackstar' pedals.
Of course not. I also have a FLIP MM-1 Metal Monster compact pedal (schematic drawing point of view quite same as MT-2 but the ECC83 tube is an additional) and an SGX 2000 multieffect with an ECC83. In both cases the tube is driven by 9V(!!!) - sound is awesome!
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2008 : 12:12:43
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Looks really cool but is it worth all the hassle??
I have tested a few tube based pedals but none of them has been exceptional in any way.
I don�t think it�s necessary to have tubes all the way between guitar and speaker to get a really good sound, some effects could be really hard to build by using just tubes, like chorus and other time based effects.
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PaulH
Gold Member
535 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2008 : 12:21:07
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| Why not just run the guitar into a proper tube amp? |
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ssanyee
Silver Member
Hungary
288 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2008 : 12:29:45
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Of course, tubes are used only for amplification and not for any time based effects. It will never be a target for the designers!
But I really can hear a big difference among my Metal Zone and my Metal Monster. The Metal Monster has much reacher, fuller, more powerful tone however the schematic difference 'only' the tube!
I do not have any doubt about the more usable tone-scale with tubes!
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2008 : 12:53:13
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Hi ssanyee
My brother-in-law has a Metal Monster, & you are correct in saying that it really kicks some butt.
He uses it mainly as a booster for his old original Fender BandMaster.
They he got when he was 16-17.
Any chance you have the schematic, as he gets me to look after most of his gear.
Did you say that you had the Schematics for the SGX 2000 multi-effect with an ECC83 as well?
If you ever get the time, it would be great to have some pics, inside & out of the Metal Monster.
They are very expensive out here in Australia.
And hard to find.
PM me.
Regards Dr. Bob
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ssanyee
Silver Member
Hungary
288 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2008 : 13:23:36
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Hello Bob,
Yes I have both Metal Monster and SGX2000 schematic drawing as well!
Do you need both of them? Unfortunately the SGX2000 just having in hard copy version yet but I can scan it (about 10-12 pages!!!)
About the pictures: MM-1 let it be one of my next post into the 'internal pictures...' thread! And of course, I am going to send them to you with bigger resolution!
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2008 : 13:34:39
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Hi ssanyee
Check both your PM's.
Regards Dr. Bob |
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Willemdaguide
Bronze Member
Netherlands
70 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2008 : 15:44:21
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| True SP-1, if not run on high voltage a tube is only a gimmic, but it looks nice though. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2008 : 14:38:13
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Originally posted by Willemdaguide
True SP-1, if not run on high voltage a tube is only a gimmic, but it looks nice though.
i also believe this to be true and unlike goran i've noticed a big diference with my valve/tube overdrive and the normal boss/other..etc.......my SD Twin Tube runs on 300v and the sound is really amplike and very rich sounding.... the plus side of this for me is all my amps are old with no effects loops,this gives me real overdriven valve amp feel with the bonus of being able to run my effects as normal... the Blackstar also look very interesting,but the Vox cooltrons etc.... which run in starvation mode i think are only a gimmick...... |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2008 : 07:45:42
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Originally posted by FRANZONI
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Originally posted by Willemdaguide
True SP-1, if not run on high voltage a tube is only a gimmic, but it looks nice though.
i also believe this to be true and unlike goran i've noticed a big diference with my valve/tube overdrive and the normal boss/other..etc.......
Well Franzoni, I�m not sure I�ve tested a tube-pedal run at proper voltages, so I suppose I was too negative in my comment above, so I�ll take my words back.
What I meant between the lines was that, in my opinion, there are a lot of really good sounding overdrives based on solid state technology, why have a lot of hassles putting a tube in a foot pedal?
From your comments, Franzoni, it could be worth it.
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2008 : 11:44:36
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Originally posted by Goran
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Originally posted by FRANZONI
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Originally posted by Willemdaguide
True SP-1, if not run on high voltage a tube is only a gimmic, but it looks nice though.
i also believe this to be true and unlike goran i've noticed a big diference with my valve/tube overdrive and the normal boss/other..etc.......
Well Franzoni, I�m not sure I�ve tested a tube-pedal run at proper voltages, so I suppose I was too negative in my comment above, so I�ll take my words back.
What I meant between the lines was that, in my opinion, there are a lot of really good sounding overdrives based on solid state technology, why have a lot of hassles putting a tube in a foot pedal?
From your comments, Franzoni, it could be worth it.
no problem bro..........i wasn't trying to be arguementive but i really love my Twin Tube,i agree that there is some super sounding solid state overdrive pedals out there..i don't know if you remember but i posted before i went on hols that my 'stand in' for the band while i was away had one of the new tubescreamers and it sounded really fat.... not a 'vintage' one with mods or any fancy spec but a straight up,off the shelf one.... i was very impressed with the sound especially through his JTM 60 combo.... i originally went down the valve overdrive route for 2 reasons....
1/ to try to get the same sound as my old marshall/musicman amps without deafening eveyone in the bar....this gives me the slight breakup of the musicman on one channel and the fat overdrive of the marshall with a OD-2 etc pushing it on the other.....
2/ at the time i was using an active strat,the twin tube was one of the few overdrives i found that could handle it's output,with the boss etc i found it sounded like a volume drop when i kicked it in or at least no boost....
of all the pedals we use i find overdrives are the most personal when it comes to sound and cause the most debate........followed closely by rotary speaker simulators don't get me started on those.............
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Willemdaguide
Bronze Member
Netherlands
70 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2008 : 08:45:07
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If run on the right voltage, one or more tubes in a distortionpedal makes it more like a pre-amp than a simple distortionpedal. Therefore it sounds more like an amp-distortion. There are some great transistor pedals for shure and I agree that there's only very little difference where ever they put a valve in on low volt. or not.
I really like to test the MI-audio tubezone some day for that reason. It has no tubes in it but should a lot like an pre-amp distortion. |
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tazzboy
Copper Member
USA
46 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2008 : 07:21:58
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
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Posted - 08/09/2008 : 09:33:22
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tazz:
those were the classic tube and tubulator i believe.
neither actually had a tube in them.
overall i have mixed feelings on overdrive pedals with tubes in them.
my #1 feeling agrees 100% here:
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Why not just run the guitar into a proper tube amp?
my #2 feeling is that most true well-designed tube distortion pedals cost nearly as much (or half as much) as a good tube amp.
my #3 feeling is that they don't really sound much better than most hybrid amps drive section that has a tube in there.
my #4 feeling is that they do give a really crunchy gain at lower volumes than most amps need, and that's neat, but it's hard to ignore feelings 1-3.
i suppose if i had some money to burn, why not. unfortunately, i'm not in that position. |
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