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LuminaryJCP
Bronze Member
USA
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 Posted - 03/30/2006 : 07:14:18
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I don't understand why so many people, usually only hobbyist player, pay so much for these pedals? It sucks for people like me who just want to add unique sounds to their setups but can't afford to because someone decided one day to ask 500$ for a 100$ piece of metal and someone else actually paid that much. I mean, all i want is a DM-2 or DM-3 to add a good analog delay to my pedal board and I can't get one for under 230 bones! Is anyone else out there as frustrated as I am? |
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LuminaryJCP
Bronze Member
USA
85 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2006 : 07:20:52
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| PS, No offense to you collectors out there, just venting a little. |
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stahlhart
Platinum Member
1318 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2006 : 07:27:13
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Yes... 
C.K.
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2006 : 07:56:42
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The same goes for all vintage equipment, a 1962 strat is not worth $10 000 or more but there are always people willing to pay that amount.
How many of the about 1500 Les Paul Standards manufactured 1958-60 are in the hands of pro players these days?? Not many.
I would also surely like to pick up a VB-2 for $100 but there is a big market for these and the supply is limited, just like all vintage equipment.
Of course it is mostly collectors who buy at these high prices, but they care a lot for their treasures so the equipment would be well preserved for the future.
Of course I don�t like that equipment get overpriced, but that is the reality. |
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Sunburst
Silver Member
427 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2006 : 08:16:46
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As Goran has mentioned, vintage gear in demand drive up the prices. It is a universal law, and nothing new. I can understand the frustration from someone who wants to add a certain "pricey" pedal to their lineup, or collection.
I also want to be able to have a 1959 Sunburst Les Paul, and the million people or so that also wants it is going to slowly make the 1959 Les Paul worth its weight in gold.
So the bottom line is...if you wanna play, you got to pay!  |
Edited by - Sunburst on 03/30/2006 08:17:04 |
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Dingus
Silver Member
USA
472 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2006 : 16:35:04
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Yeah, it's Business 101: Supply & Demand, You've just go to get over it and get a real job so you can pay those outrageous prices.  |
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Britsie
Bronze Member
Belgium
92 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2006 : 16:37:54
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Rant on
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Originally posted by LuminaryJCP
all i want is a DM-2 or DM-3 to add a good analog delay to my pedal board
From your post it sounds like only a DM-2 or a DM-3 will give you the sound of a good analog delay.
That (and the fact that they are out of production) is exactely the attitude that raises the prices of these things.
99% of all people who listen to music can not tell the difference between an analog and a digital delay. (and probably 50% of the people that play music either)
So, if you "want to add unique sounds" to your set up, you pay the price, otherwise just get a DD-6 and stop whinning.
Rant off
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stahlhart
Platinum Member
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Posted - 03/30/2006 : 18:20:02
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It's frustrating to everyone to see prices on the stuff we'd like to have driven into the stratosphere. But the original poster has to understand that he is just as much a part of the problem (Britsie pointed that out, although somewhat harshly  ), by being so insistent on owning and using a certain pedal in the first place.
I had a DM-2 briefly, about fifteen years ago. I got it used for about $40, and sold it soon after for I think pretty much the same amount (they didn't have the "mojo" back then that they do today). I just didn't like the sound of it -- the wet signal sounded like it came out of a transistor radio, and it was noisy. Mabye I just got a bad one. But the two DD-2s I have today I like much more. Just my own personal preference. And I have a broken one on the way here, so that makes three -- and I got all three of them for about what everyone is paying now for one DM-2. And Britsie is correct -- no one in the club is going to know of or hear the difference. You can even mod the treble rolloff on a DD-2 and make the difference even less significant.
I would love to have a tube Echoplex or two around here instead of the DD-2s -- but they've simply become too dear, because of collectors. I had already had the previous experience with the DM-2, so the DD-2 became the next best thing instead.
And the argument falls apart further as soon as it becomes an issue of entitlement -- why does someone who is viewed as a "hobbyist player" have any less right to own a particular piece of equipment than a musician who gets paid to play, or otherwise considers themself to be more serious about it than them? Who makes that decision? Somewhere right now there's some kid whose father is an investment banker or something, and he's down in his basement playing three chords on a '59 Les Paul and a Plexi stack that Dad bought him. Getting angry about it isn't going to change anything -- as much as you hate it or think that it's a complete waste of gear, the price of admission was paid, and there's the entitlement. Sorry.
There's a fixed amount of the old stuff out there, mabye it's slowly decreasing as the occasional out-of-production analog delay IC here and there takes a dirt nap... and an ever increasing number of people competing for ownership of it. I only see it getting worse down the road. If anything, folks better be getting the ones they really really want now, while prices are still somewhat reasonable.
C.K.
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midibuddy
Silver Member
Ecuador
285 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2006 : 19:35:44
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get another brand... if BOSS doesn't make analog delays anymore, I'm sure you'd be pleased with the other analog delays in the market (which are still expensive).
I loved my vintage ADA MP1 chorus (analog), but since it was too much trouble setting it up for weekly gigs (a small rack to carry around), I replaced all its functions with 2 BOSS overdrive pedals, one BOSS CH-1, and a compressor CS3.
What do people say?
Changing from a tube analog preamp with analog effects TO stomp boxes and digital chorus?
That I sound better than before...
The CH1 is no vintage chorus or anything,and it's digital.. but it does the job... it doens't sound like the ADA one... but you can get many usable sounds from it.
Same as DD3... I'm sure analog delays may sound better, but a DD3 is still very useful, you have to keep in mind that you have to set it up correctly...
Satriani, Petrucci, and many more, all use DD3s at some point on their signal path, they can't be wrong right? |
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redzone
Copper Member
United Kingdom
35 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2006 : 20:38:36
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| If you want the DM-2 sound at a cheap price look for an Arion SAD-1 analog delay, it's got stereo outs as well |
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stahlhart
Platinum Member
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stahlhart
Platinum Member
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LuminaryJCP
Bronze Member
USA
85 Posts |
Posted - 03/31/2006 : 05:15:31
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| Thanks for all your replies, someone needs to stir the pot every now and again right? Currently do own a dd-3. Thank you Stahlhart for recommending those other delays (i always wondered about Arion, maybe i'll give them a whirl.). the only reason I wanted a Boss is because they are super reliable. Every other brand i've ever really tried has mixed reviews when it comes to reliability. In fact, the one non-boss pedal I own is the newest pedal and also the only one that has crapped out on me. I bought an old version 1 dd-3 from god knows when and it works flawlessly compared to my other guitarists' new Digidelay which works on/off depending on how it feels. That's why it has to be a boss. Anyway, thanks for the responses, always nice to get everyone's take on a situation! |
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Big Boss Man
Gold Member
USA
564 Posts |
Posted - 03/31/2006 : 15:28:33
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In defense of collectors... By bidding up prices to high levels this vintage gear is more likely to go into the hands of someone who will take care of it and preserve it as long as possible. If a '59 LP was just another guitar you give to some teenager, there would soon be no more '59 LPs. They would all have cracked head stocks and necks, be covered with stickers and pick scratches, and have EMG pickups.
If you want a DM-2, I would just shell out the $230. The prices on these just keep going up at a steady pace. Before you know they will be another one of those $500 pedals. |
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starr36
Platinum Member
Canada
1172 Posts |
Posted - 03/31/2006 : 16:41:33
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do a search on ebay for completed items, BOSS JAPAN
you will see
DD-2s going for 80
DM-2 160
PN-2 102
there seems to be a lull in the market !!! |
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
2232 Posts |
Posted - 03/31/2006 : 20:14:47
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| anyone know what a VB-2 goes for these days? im not too big on ebay. must be one of the highest boss' i would think |
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