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starr36
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bossarea
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 02/20/2006 : 23:08:40
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That thing looks brand new.
That's Pocket Dictionary Vol. 1. It was released October 1984 and Vol. 2 came June 85. This BF-2 might be produced somewhere in between these dates.
With a $45 BIN I say BUY! BUY! BUY!  |
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pawnshop_trash
Gold Member
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Posted - 02/21/2006 : 00:36:33
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stahlhart
Platinum Member
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Posted - 02/21/2006 : 02:02:45
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"I was a young man, I couldn't resist..." 
C.K.
(edit: it has the all-black knobs, too)
(also -- could someone explain what the "manual" control does here? thanks much...) |
Edited by - stahlhart on 02/21/2006 02:26:38 |
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starr36
Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 02/21/2006 : 03:53:53
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I really wanted to buy that BF-2, but the seller excluded Canadians and I got no reply from the seller  .
It was a perfect match to the DD-2 I picked up a month ago. Yeah the one that had the instruction sheet WITHOUT THE SAMPLE SETTINGS page in it. (First issue folks) nOw hOw coOL iS tHAt! 
--- Yay, he-emailed back after midnite, just got home from work and would've sold me the pedal .... erlack! |
Edited by - starr36 on 02/21/2006 17:37:49 |
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nosajwp
Copper Member
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2006 : 01:33:50
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| The sucky thing is that it wasn't a BIN auction until I requested it. Too bad I didn't BIN in time! |
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phostenix
Gold Member
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2006 : 05:08:39
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I almost pulled the trigger on that one just to see it it's any different than my later BF-2. Glad it's going to a good home.
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(also -- could someone explain what the "manual" control does here? thanks much...)
The manual control sets the fixed delay through the BBD. It works "backwards" on the BF-2 - Clockwise gives you a shorter delay time, counter-clockwise gives you a longer delay time. The Speed & Depth controls determine how much that fixed delay is varied, just like in a chorus pedal.
Some chorus pedals give you a delay knob (Rocktron & some Ibanez). Increasing the delay gives a more wobbly sound to the chorus. I really like having the ability to change that, but Boss doesn't have any chorus pedals that have a delay knob. You'll see people's mods for Boss chorus pedals where they change out a cap with a larger one (like C22 in the CE-2 or CE-5) to make the chorus "deeper". What this actually does is increase the fixed delay time.
The main difference between a flanger & a chorus pedal is that a flanger will feedback the delayed signal from the BBD back to the input. That's the RESonance knob on the BF-2. If you turn the RES knob all the way CCW, you'll find that you can get very chorus like sound from the BF-2. The Speed knob is not linear - the fast speeds come on very quickly near the end of its travel clockwise. But, it will go faster than any Boss chorus pedal, so you can get the fast Leslie type sounds from the BF-2 that you can't with the chorus pedals.
Usually, flangers have shorter delay times than chorus pedals. The BF-2 uses the same BBD as the CE-3 (MN3207), which has the same delay capabilities as the MN3007 in the CE-2 and analog CE-5 & CH-1. That cool flanger sound that gets used so much with distortion and palm muting rythym chords works best with shorter delay times.
FWIW, the Boss HF-2 uses a different BBD (MN3204) that has half the available delay time through it. The rest of the circuit is almost identical, IIRC.
Grace and peace,
Steve
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stahlhart
Platinum Member
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Posted - 02/22/2006 : 19:06:34
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I did wait a few hours before I jumped, in case someone else really wanted this BF-2. For a moment, I was really hoping that someone would beat me to it, since I was unable to control my impulse purchasing urge. But it just kept sitting there, screaming "BUY ME!", and I caved...
Steve: thanks much for the info. I thought, though, that all analog delays had some sort of feedback in the circuit, and it was just a matter of degrees between them -- flanging utilizing more feedback than chorus, to get the deeper sweeping. (?)
I'm going to A/B the BF-2 against my Electric Mistress, to see if it will duplicate the two sounds I'm after -- one of those is the "jet plane flying overhead" trick, which I'm pretty sure it will do... the other is more difficult to describe, but it would probably be really close to, if not exactly like, the flanging sound Gilmour uses on "Dogs": it's a rhythm guitar bit you hear after the first verse and before the first harmony solo. Sort of a chorused/dimensioned sweep. Those were the two sounds I always liked the EM for.
C.K.
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phostenix
Gold Member
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Posted - 02/23/2006 : 00:12:13
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Analog delays & flangers have feedback, choruses do not - just the delayed signal mixed with the dry signal.
Most phasers have feedback, too - with the PH-1 being the exception.
Grace and peace,
Steve
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stahlhart
Platinum Member
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Posted - 02/23/2006 : 01:12:46
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Originally posted by phostenix
Analog delays & flangers have feedback, choruses do not - just the delayed signal mixed with the dry signal.
Most phasers have feedback, too - with the PH-1 being the exception.
I stand corrected, Steve. I thought that I read it somewhere once, many moons ago -- but I went back and looked at the schematics more closely, and you're right, it isn't there.
But if you go to http://hammer.ampage.org and locate Craig Anderton's BBD delay project from Guitar Player in 1980 (edit: it's at the top of page 9 at the URL), you'll find this little blurb:
"I find my favorite chorus setting by picking some muted strings on the guitar to produce the sharpest possible sound. I then set the initial delay control so that there is a distinct, short echo just starting to appear. I then return the initial delay clockwise a bit until the two exchoes barely fuse into one. Finally I add modulation to suit. A little regeneration adds a nice touch for a spacier, more sci-fi chorus sound." (italics mine)
But then this was a general analog delay project that could do flanging, chorus, reverb and delay, and not a dedicated chorus...
C.K.
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phostenix
Gold Member
USA
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Posted - 02/23/2006 : 02:38:49
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Si, senor. Those 4 effects could easily be put together in 1 box, but that wouldn't be very good marketing, now would it? 
It also wouldn't be very helpful if you wanted 2 of them on at the same time, either...
Grace and peace,
Steve
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/23/2006 : 11:00:53
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Originally posted by phostenix
It also wouldn't be very helpful if you wanted 2 of them on at the same time, either...
This is a problem with a lot of multi effects. Effects are typically split into delay, modulation and distortion and often you can't use Chorus, Flanger and Phaser at the same time. |
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nosajwp
Copper Member
USA
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Posted - 02/24/2006 : 04:24:50
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| stahlhart, if you find yourself having buyer's remorse, I will be more than happy to help you feel better and take it off your hands! Just let me know! |
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