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StratMatt
Copper Member
USA
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 Posted - 01/24/2007 : 02:35:44
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OK... Amazingly stupid question. I have been playing for years and I have always wondered this so please help...
When I play on stage, I am always asked to tap in the song tempo for my delay. I totally understand what this means and I play this way but here's my question.
Why does a guitar player want his delay to be heard right during the next beat of the song? Doing this will hide it in the music and it will disappear! Don't you want to hear the delayed sound between beats? Isn't this what makes the delay sound great? The 'slapback' sound?
Please help me make sense of this and I apologize for the stupidity on my part.
Thanks!
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RRV-10
Silver Member
Australia
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Posted - 01/24/2007 : 03:42:53
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If your only interested in slapback (100ms or less) than yeah tap tempo has not real point whatsoever. Not even Fred Astaire could tap temp something like 30ms.
To my mind the convenience of tap tempo is that you can change the time without having the move the time knob, which can be a bit hit or miss to do accurately silently on stage. There's no need to sync it to the drummer or anything if that's what I understand you to be saying, though the drums are obviously the best reference point if you want it to be "in time". |
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diggum12
Silver Member
USA
282 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2007 : 18:59:48
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The only time you would want it heard in the next beat of the song is if the melody was dependant on that delay. Think "Where the Streets Have No Name" here...
That being said, maybe your Delay level is up way too loud for the rest of the band. If so then your level would be out of sync with the tempo.
So yes, you wouldn't generally want it in sync with the tempo unless you have the repeats up very loud. |
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RossL
Bronze Member
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2007 : 21:15:22
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controlfreak
Silver Member
Ireland
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Posted - 02/02/2007 : 13:57:38
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i think i understand where you're coming from.
you're saying that if you tap in the tempo like
1....2....3....4..etc
T....T....T....T..etc
all your delays will be on the beat but that's only if you play one note per beat.
if you play 2 notes per beat you'll hear one on the beat and one inbetween.
if you play 16 notes inbetween...etc....you get my drift!!
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diggum12
Silver Member
USA
282 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2007 : 17:28:55
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Great illustration controlfreak! And StratMatt this is a great topic, it's not stupid at all.
So let's look at controlfreak's illustration again:
1....2....3....4..etc
T....T....T....T..etc
But your dillema is you're playing against your previous note. That's frustrating. Let's say his "T" stands for your "Level." If your repeats are as loud as your regular signal, then your band will hear that and want to play (hopefully) in sync with that, right? If they screw up even one snare crack then your hosed since they'll just recover anyway they see fit, but now your tempo is out of whack. Can you tell you're not alone here? This happens.
Now let's make that a "t" instead
t....t....t....t..etc
Meaning, tap it out, but not with the repeats up as loud. You all start playing. Then, about 3 bars into the song tap it out in a long triplet instead, so now you have more of a wash instead of a perfectly synched slapback or quarter note tap:
t....t....t....t..etc (first 3 bars)
t.......t......t..etc (bar 4 to the end of the song)
Your effect will be: 1, 2and, 4, 1and, 3, 4and, etc.
Now you have a delay "wash" instead that gives depth and will keep you from losing yourself against these perfect quarter notes. 
I teach guitar lessons on the side so I get carried away with illustrations. 
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RossL
Bronze Member
USA
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Posted - 02/02/2007 : 18:22:29
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Best triplet depends on the temp of the song. I use 1/4 not and 1/8 note triplets.
1/4 note triplets 3 triplets = 2 beats (these are very hard to count and tap in) :-)
1/8 note triplets 3 triplets = 1 beat
Examples are 4 beats per measure (may not be totally correct on paper, just given as a visual example):
1/4 triplet Tap {T T T }{T T T}
1/8 triplet Tap (T T T)(T T T)(T T T)(T T T)
4/4 time/pulse Beats 1 2 3 4
I read about this technique on site that desribes David Gilmore's use of echo. Forget about analzing it try it and see if you like it. For me it works very well. |
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RossL
Bronze Member
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2007 : 18:36:53
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Examples got moved around by the formatting here. Let me try it again:
1/4 NOTE......t....t....t....t....t....t....
Beat............1......2......3......4......1.....
1/8 NOTE......t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.t.
Beat............1.....2.....3.....4.....
This still isn't perfect but hopeflly you get the idea.... |
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RossL
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DD-6 Tap Tempo
