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mattpas
Bronze Member
USA
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 Posted - 08/03/2006 : 22:41:57
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Hi all,
I just received a new DD-6 Delay Pedal and was wondering, there is an upside down Green Triangle Sticker with a White Capital R on the box near the bar code.
Does this mean it is a refurb and if not what does it mean? |
Edited by - mattpas on 08/03/2006 23:56:49 |
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 08/03/2006 : 23:17:42
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| did you but it off ebay? if you bought it new, where from? |
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mattpas
Bronze Member
USA
74 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2006 : 00:48:39
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| I bought it new in the US |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
3652 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2006 : 16:09:11
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| Not familiar with those. Have you got a picture of it? |
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mattpas
Bronze Member
USA
74 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2006 : 19:44:29
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What I learned about the sticker is this:
All new Boss pedals will have the sticker near the barcode, it means that they are RoHs Compliant, meaning that they're "lead-free". This is a new standard that was imposed upon manufacturers throughout Europe and eventually in the U.S.
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/04/2006 : 21:04:31
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| That makes sense. The RoHs directive came into effect from 1st of July. I had expected to see a new bottom label reflecting this but a sticker on the box does the job. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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Posted - 08/04/2006 : 22:11:31
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someone had a post on the forum about this subject a while ago,they had read a report somewhere that lead free solder started to grow 'hairs' and shorted out when they came into contact with other parts of the circuit they were in.. i think it was a european commission study about failure in electricial equipment that they got their information from....so i hope this won't affect boss pedals legendary reliability.....and what about guitar amps especially valve ones could there be a safety issue due to the nature of the plate voltages inside these amps..??i know for a fact that my musicman combo has plate voltages of at least 750 volts so i will be very careful on any repairs in the future..... |
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 08/05/2006 : 05:34:29
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| just got a TU-2 today, and it has that green triangle sticker on the box. the back label has a picture of a garbage can with an "X" through it, and the little PSA sticker above the DC input is much larger than regular.. hmmm |
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Basstyra
Gold Member
France
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Posted - 08/05/2006 : 10:22:12
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RoHS directive sucks...
Imagine that : some industrial activities use lead. And lead, when disposed, pollute. So, some people decided to limit the use of lead (and some other metals). Make sense.
But, do you know what the biggest lead user is ? It's not really a suprise : car batteries.
And do you know which activity is NOT submitted to RoHS directive ? Yep, the same automotive industrie.
It's just completely stupid. There are no other words.
Let's go furher. Why lead in solders ? Because lead has a low melting temperature, which allows to solder without getting the solder, and therefore the electronic components, too hot. There were 40% Lead in solder, now those 40% are something else. Something with higher melting temperature, which means the solders will now be made at a much higher temperature.
Yep, this will alter reliability.
I have one "proof" for that : military don't care about RoHS and will continu to work with lead. They're not stupid, they know a nuclear submarine or a fight plane has to be absolutely reliable. So, lead in solder.
And what about repairing old stuff, when the old fashioned lead-solder will no longer be available ? We'll have to repair it with RoHS solder, at higher temperatures, so it just will be more dangerous and some stuff will probably not pass this...
I'm sick about this. This is SOOOOO stupid... |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/05/2006 : 12:03:32
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I had a look at my AC-3 that I got last May and it too has the triangle sticker. I never noticed it before.
There may be disadvantages to to the directive but I'm still all for saving the environment. There are tons and tons of electric appliances thrown away every year and they do make a significant contribution to heavy metal pollution. RoHs doesn't only prohibit the use of lead but also Cadmium, Mercury, hexavalent chromium and some flame retardents. Maybe the replacement materials aren't as good the ones containing these materials but we might just have to live with that.
It's not long ago that we got unleaded petrol. In the beginning that sucked too because engines weren't designed to run without the added lead. It didn't take us long to forget all about it though. New cars don't need lead and engines have become more powerful over the last 10 years anyway so the only ones who still want leaded petrol are the people with older cars. I guess this will be the case with electronics too. The only ones who want lead solder and components are those repairing old electronics. I'm not sure it matters much. The melting temperature of solder may go up a bit but if the fumes are less of a health risk I'll accept that. |
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Basstyra
Gold Member
France
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Posted - 08/05/2006 : 12:57:21
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Yep, that's a good point. I guess I'm a bit upset because it affect directly my passion AND futur job (I'm student in electrical engineering).
The main point is, the main lead pollution source are the car batteries, and they're not submitted to this directive. That's just not logical, at all. It's like I would go for a diet BUT allow me to eat chocolate cakes all I want... I just can't understand that. |
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Austen
Bronze Member
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Posted - 08/05/2006 : 16:25:59
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Here in Australia the high lead content of car batteries actually means they are almost always recycled. I think the garages get $5 or $10 each for them BECAUSE of the high amount of lead...
You are right about the non longevity of lead free solder... yep it seems that those little chrystals do grow "hairs" that will lead to earlier device failures...unless technologies are further developed.
But then...perhaps it suits the industry to have us replace our goods more quickly....
Sucks big time for lovers of vintage gear though..
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 08/05/2006 : 16:30:35
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but who throws away a BOSS in the first place? |
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Basstyra
Gold Member
France
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 08/05/2006 : 19:39:30
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| haha oh ya i forgot about that guy. then let me rephrase me question.. "who, (besides that moron) would throw away a Boss?" |
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Basstyra
Gold Member
France
523 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2006 : 02:18:49
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In fact I allready did. Only once. A dead DD-3.
When the chip dies, there's nothing you can do...  |
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Green Triangle, Refurb?
