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s0me0ne
Copper Member
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 Posted - 06/21/2008 : 16:58:10
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I bought one a few years back as the amp I had before was messed up (one of the jacks was broken, overdrive knob was really scratchy and would totally do nothing but static if you turned it all the way, but it was good for learning on).
I kind of regret buying it because it was kind of overkill, way too big and too many effects I really didnt need but it only cost $179 so I guess it wasnt too bad, although its not worth but $50 now.
I find myself using the clean channel and maybe spring reverb or basic overdrive now (my old amp could only do those things) and I dont mess with the knobs much anymore. Sometimes I'll mix one of the effects with my DS-2 or MT-2 but thats about it.
The good thing is that I became familiar with a lot of the effects and learned I didn't like most of them. They are nice to play with every now and then but rarely.
But I guess it might not be worth getting rid of it as long as i keep on the clean channel. Afterall is it possible to find a solidstate amp with no effects that has headphone jacks and input/return features? Because really that's all I need, that and maybe a reverb pedal. But I've already spend the money on this one but it is tempting to dial different stuff up, I guess i just gotta tape over some knobs and buttons 
My question mainly is, do you have a amp with built in effects and still have pedals? |
Edited by - s0me0ne on 06/21/2008 16:59:17 |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2008 : 17:47:37
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Hi s0me0ne
Which amp with built in effects did you get?
Some of the ones I have tried, have poor to average built in effects.
& there are some others Like the Fender DSP100 that are quite good.
And the Boss Cube 30/60 & 2W Micro Cube are not too shabby either.
Having the built in effects can be a pain, if they don't provide you with a simple way to change patches/effects.
Like with an external foot switch/s.
With external pedals & effects, at least you get more control the sound.
Regards Dr. Bob |
Edited by - Dr. Bob on 06/21/2008 17:51:20 |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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Posted - 06/21/2008 : 17:47:50
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I feel the less stuff an amp has built in the better....i use a marshall MG series amp for rehearsing only,it has built in effects and a lead channel but i never use them,i use my Boss pedals and my rack for effects..i plug into the clean channel..live i use either a marshall,musicman or selmer valve amps,all old and very basic...you can get solid state amps with no effects built in,your best bet would to be to look in the local small ad's in your local papers for some of the stuff from the 80's/90's..marshall,session,H/H etc..i had a sessionette 90 and it was ok,i also had a H/H 60 watt combo which was pretty good for a solid state amp,basically it was the guitar version of their famous 'Bass baby' amp that a lot of bass players i know still highly regard,these may be a bit harder to find as H/H was an english company long gone out of business so it depends what part of the world your in...i suppose Marshall would be the easiest to find worldwide..or if your budget stretched to it ,there is a lot of reasonable valve amps out there at the moment.... |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 06/21/2008 : 18:03:54
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Originally posted by FRANZONI
I feel the less stuff an amp has built in the better....i use a marshall MG series amp for rehearsing only,it has built in effects and a lead channel but i never use them,i use my Boss pedals and my rack for effects..i plug into the clean channel..live i use either a marshall,musicman or selmer valve amps,all old and very basic...you can get solid state amps with no effects built in,your best bet would to be to look in the local small ad's in your local papers for some of the stuff from the 80's/90's..marshall,session,H/H etc..i had a sessionette 90 and it was ok,i also had a H/H 60 watt combo which was pretty good for a solid state amp,basically it was the guitar version of their famous 'Bass baby' amp that a lot of bass players i know still highly regard,these may be a bit harder to find as H/H was an english company long gone out of business so it depends what part of the world your in...i suppose Marshall would be the easiest to find worldwide..or if your budget stretched to it ,there is a lot of reasonable valve amps out there at the moment....
Hi FRANZONI
Those H&H were really something, I recall a time about 10 years ago,
when I played a beautiful AS NEW 2x12, Silver face, green indicators, H&H combo, I don't recall the model.
All I can can remember, is that after I played it for a while, it was so loud & so dynamic,
that it made me wish, I had brought a spare pair of underpants.
if you know what I mean 
A Roland JC120 on full tilt, can make you feel the same.
Not too bad for Solid State amps.
They just seem to have designed them with a massive amount of headroom & really well rated power supplies.
Hey FRANZONI, thanks for reminding me of that H&H gig day.
Regards Bob |
Edited by - Dr. Bob on 06/21/2008 18:05:44 |
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
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Posted - 06/21/2008 : 18:59:54
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i purposefully avoid amps with built in effects as a lot of them are low quality, more expensive because of the effects, the effects rarely sound good, and it's just another part of the amp that can break/malfunction with a monstrously expensive repair.
it is possible to find solid state amps in what you described but probably not with a headphone jack.
however, i usually recommend older or "known" quality solid state amps, which are often still fairly cheap... (although lately i've dug up a plethora of budget tube amps that rip for about the same cost as a good solid state amp).
an example of a smoking solid state amp:
http://www.daddys.com/used/?itemnumber=FEN1929A
i believe this was rivera designed. has metal shafted pots... metal switches, etc. for less than the price of a new solid state amp.
i'm finding $200-300 is very doable for a tube amp though... |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2008 : 20:19:41
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Originally posted by Dr. Bob
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Originally posted by FRANZONI
I feel the less stuff an amp has built in the better....i use a marshall MG series amp for rehearsing only,it has built in effects and a lead channel but i never use them,i use my Boss pedals and my rack for effects..i plug into the clean channel..live i use either a marshall,musicman or selmer valve amps,all old and very basic...you can get solid state amps with no effects built in,your best bet would to be to look in the local small ad's in your local papers for some of the stuff from the 80's/90's..marshall,session,H/H etc..i had a sessionette 90 and it was ok,i also had a H/H 60 watt combo which was pretty good for a solid state amp,basically it was the guitar version of their famous 'Bass baby' amp that a lot of bass players i know still highly regard,these may be a bit harder to find as H/H was an english company long gone out of business so it depends what part of the world your in...i suppose Marshall would be the easiest to find worldwide..or if your budget stretched to it ,there is a lot of reasonable valve amps out there at the moment....
Hi FRANZONI
Those H&H were really something, I recall a time about 10 years ago,
when I played a beautiful AS NEW 2x12, Silver face, green indicators, H&H combo, I don't recall the model.
All I can can remember, is that after I played it for a while, it was so loud & so dynamic,
that it made me wish, I had brought a spare pair of underpants.
if you know what I mean
A Roland JC120 on full tilt, can make you feel the same.
Not too bad for Solid State amps.
They just seem to have designed them with a massive amount of headroom & really well rated power supplies.
Hey FRANZONI, thanks for reminding me of that H&H gig day.
Regards Bob
That sounds like a VS Musician i think it was called... yep the H/H stuff was really well made,i thought the green back light was a great feature as well..it seems like everyone had one when i was growing up,nearly all the rehearsal studios had them or the JC 120,laney and peavey bandits came in later.... H/H were fairly popular here in Ireland,i'm not 100% but i think i read somewhere that some of the H/H guys went on to Trace Elliott......i actually saw the 60 watt combo in the small ad's a while back but when i rang it was gone.... don't see them much anymore very handy to have in the van as a backup amp...i don't know if this is of much interest to you guys but i read that EVH only used his marshall head as a pre amp with a dummy load..he used H/H power amps to drive the cabs with the effects in the loop of the dummy load box for the classic 'brown sound' years... .... |
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s0me0ne
Copper Member
16 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2008 : 21:38:46
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Originally posted by Dr. Bob
Hi s0me0ne
Which amp with built in effects did you get?
Some of the ones I have tried, have poor to average built in effects.
& there are some others Like the Fender DSP100 that are quite good.
And the Boss Cube 30/60 & 2W Micro Cube are not too shabby either.
Having the built in effects can be a pain, if they don't provide you with a simple way to change patches/effects.
Like with an external foot switch/s.
With external pedals & effects, at least you get more control the sound.
Regards Dr. Bob
I have a Behringer GX210. It has a footswitch to change the channel and turn off the 1 effect it can do at a time, but its got a delay of 1 second to change it. The distortion on it sucks and many of the effects I don't care for (flanger, octave, phaser). It's got 2 10" speakers 30watt each in stereo, and lots of connections in the back (headphones, line in, return/send, line out, aux, etc) , so I guess it wasn't too bad a deal. I just have to learn not to mess with the settings, which I've haven't been doing lately. The clean channel is set with compression on and the overdrive channel has spring reverb and I just use my ds2 or mt2 with one of those. |
Edited by - s0me0ne on 06/21/2008 21:45:58 |
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Right Foot Boss
Gold Member
USA
881 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2008 : 06:27:34
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I own a Roland DAC-15XD. It has built in delay, chorus and flange. It absolutely sucks for guitar but I only use it with my drum machine and it is spanktacular. I don't use any pedals with the machine (except for a PC-2) just the amp effects.
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
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Posted - 06/22/2008 : 16:39:20
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| One of my amps has distortion and reverb, but I don't use the amps distortion and the reverd is broken. Amps should be amps (for the most part). |
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One-Way
Bronze Member
New Zealand
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Posted - 06/23/2008 : 09:00:30
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I have a Vox Valvetronix AD50VT which I have modded with an FX loop and a Celestion hot 100 speaker that rocks. It has 11 amp models and 11 built in effects which are pretty good. I love the AC30, Fender Blackface and Bassman for clean guitar, and Marshall and Soldano sounds for dirty which I mainly use. For playing with our worship team I mainly use reverb, chorus/reverb, tremelo effects. With its tube in the power amp section it sounds really good and warm sounding. The inbuilt attenuator allows it to be played at bedroom or gig volume and still get a good tone.
Setup is quick with just my Behringer EQ pedal thru the loop and footswitch for channel changing. Ive had it 2+1/2 years and love it. |
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visserman
Platinum Member
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Posted - 06/26/2008 : 12:28:10
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Amps which have all the bells and whistles is something of the 2000s and late 90s.
In the 80s you would find chorus and distortion on nearly any amp.
In the 60s it was either nothing or tremolo.
What did people have on their amps in the 70s? I do not know, it seems that companies kept things basic, think of Marshall and others.
Do I like amps which have build-in effects? NO!!, for the simple reason that the effects can never be as good and as flexable as just the effects on their own.
To come to that conclusion it takes time, trial and error. I am not going to say what is best [who cares!!] but it seems to be the norm that experienced players go for simple amps and then dress up their sound with whatever effects they want.
I agree with your comment on having the effects there to see what they do, they are seen as a learningexperience, and this is great.
The whole point of build-in effects is selling point. "Our company offers amp x for a very good price, and look what you get for that price". What is the targetgroup of those companies: Beginners and people who want to upgrade from their first amps. This is the biggest market and it makes the musicindusty tick.
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