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kelmaur
Gold Member
USA
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 Posted - 01/18/2010 : 02:29:52
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just curious if there is a copyright on colors of pedals
and who has it
ive notice that mainly on choruses ive seen that they are the same color, even if they are different manufacturers
Boss Choruses are the light blue and ive noticed Ibanez makes choruses that are light blue also...
just wondering if anyone knew anything about this or even if it is relevant to the pedals copyright itself |
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Pedal Dan
Silver Member
USA
419 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2010 : 03:03:00
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My BC9 Bi- Mode chorus is light purple metallic! And Zvex went nuts with sparke finishes around 05. But I have to admit Boss pedals are some if the most colorful. Heck I bought an LM-2 cause of that robins egg blue finish, so pretty! But I don"t think colors are TMed, look at the BBM power screamer. I've seen that color somewhere... |
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natthu
Gold Member
Australia
756 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2010 : 07:21:33
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I don't think you could really copyright a colour as such, but if another product were too similar to a Boss pedal overall (ie BehClones), Boss would probably be able to sue. That's why BehClones are not the same colour as their Boss counterparts. It's probably why the have also made them a slightly different shape and put the DC socket in a different location etc...
Other pedals that share colours for specific effects are probably sufficiently different enough aesthetically in other ways to allow the same colour to be used.
Slightly OT: Boss had to change the "Super Distortion & Feedbacker" to "Super Feedbacker & Distortion" because another company (I forget which one) owned the copyright for "Super Distortion"... It's pretty nit-picky but companies like Boss do need to maintain their product image. The original "Crybaby" wah pedals were made by Vox, however they failed to copyright the name and Dunlop stole it from them. Rude!
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jackderringer
Silver Member
USA
153 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2010 : 07:48:33
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Originally posted by natthu
The original "Crybaby" wah pedals were made by Vox, however they failed to copyright the name and Dunlop stole it from them. Rude!
they still should've been able to sue if they wanted to... just because you haven't filed for TM/c-right doesn't mean you have no rights if you can show sufficient evidence that you used the name first. |
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Alice
Bronze Member
USA
66 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2010 : 09:22:23
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Originally posted by natthu
Slightly OT: Boss had to change the "Super Distortion & Feedbacker" to "Super Feedbacker & Distortion" because another company (I forget which one) owned the copyright for "Super Distortion"...
It was Dimarzio and it was for a pickup of all things. Which is kind of silly if you think about it. Pickups don't distort.
-Alice |
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natthu
Gold Member
Australia
756 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2010 : 11:37:11
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Originally posted by jackderringer
they still should've been able to sue if they wanted to... just because you haven't filed for TM/c-right doesn't mean you have no rights if you can show sufficient evidence that you used the name first.
Actually, i think you're right. Perhaps Vox didn't think much of the name? |
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natthu
Gold Member
Australia
756 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2010 : 11:39:55
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Originally posted by Alice
It was Dimarzio and it was for a pickup of all things. Which is kind of silly if you think about it. Pickups don't distort.
-Alice
Some humbuckers are made to be high output, I think EMG are well known for this? Perhaps these pickups distort easier due to the higher gain?
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2010 : 11:48:38
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Originally posted by natthu
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Originally posted by Alice
It was Dimarzio and it was for a pickup of all things. Which is kind of silly if you think about it. Pickups don't distort.
-Alice
Some humbuckers are made to be high output, I think EMG are well known for this? Perhaps these pickups distort easier due to the higher gain?
the output they produce distort the input/preamp section of a (usually) tube amp.. the pickup itself doesn't distort...i find the more output from a pickup the more muddy it sounds on clean and edgy breakup sounds ... |
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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
1309 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2010 : 16:48:34
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Originally posted by FRANZONI
i find the more output from a pickup the more muddy it sounds on clean and edgy breakup sounds
I agree, that's why I like the medium output of the Duncan alnico 2 pro's, enough output for a nice crunch sound, and low enough to clean up nicely.
Off course this dependend on how high you set the gain on your amp.
That pickup was the Dimarzio "Super distortion", a very high output pickup from the 70's made for heavy metal guitarists, and it's still available and very popular these days. |
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mjp
Copper Member
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Posted - 01/19/2010 : 00:14:05
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The original "Crybaby" wah pedals were made by Vox, however they failed to copyright the name and Dunlop stole it from them. Rude!
Since Dunlop didn't start making wah pedals until 1982, long after Vox/Thomas quit making them, whether or not they "stole" the name is kind of irrelevant. No one wanted a wah pedal in 1982 anyway. ;)
Thomas Organ company distributed Vox products in the U.S. and the "Cry Baby" name was invented for the U.S. market. The Vox wah pedal in England was called a "Clyde McCoy," or a "Vox Wah." Thomas Organ eventually manufactured Cry Babys in California and Chicago. Same Vox wah, just a different name. Vox wahs were also made in England and Italy (just to keep things confusing).
But more importantly than the name, Vox/Thomas never copyrighted the circuit. So dozens of companies came out with knock offs of the Clyde McCoy/Vox Wah//Cry Baby in the late 60s/early 70s.
Personally I use a 60s Chicago-made Thomas Organ Cry Baby that rocks the "stack of dimes" Vox 48 inductor, and is the sweetest sounding wah this side of the swinging 60s, babies! |
Edited by - mjp on 01/19/2010 00:14:55 |
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Brutalitarian Supremacy
Silver Member
USA
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skugga
Copper Member
Australia
32 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 00:52:08
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Originally posted by natthu
I don't think you could really copyright a colour as such, but if another product were too similar to a Boss pedal overall (ie BehClones), Boss would probably be able to sue. That's why BehClones are not the same colour as their Boss counterparts. It's probably why the have also made them a slightly different shape and put the DC socket in a different location etc...
You can't copyright a colour in general but in some countries you can trademark a colour in certain circumstances. Telstra (Australian Telco) have trademarked their orange, Reflex (paper company) have trademarked the 'Reflex Blue' for example.
"Chorus blue" was probably in use before they started mass producing lawyers. So its a 'generic' colour and not subject to trademarking.
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skugga
Copper Member
Australia
32 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 00:58:46
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Originally posted by FRANZONI
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Originally posted by natthu
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Originally posted by Alice
It was Dimarzio and it was for a pickup of all things. Which is kind of silly if you think about it. Pickups don't distort.
-Alice
Some humbuckers are made to be high output, I think EMG are well known for this? Perhaps these pickups distort easier due to the higher gain?
the output they produce distort the input/preamp section of a (usually) tube amp.. the pickup itself doesn't distort...i find the more output from a pickup the more muddy it sounds on clean and edgy breakup sounds ...
I've got one of the Dimarzio Super Distortions in one of my guitars. They were originally made as a custom humbucker for Fender for the HM Strat's but proved popular enough to mass produce and there's now 3 different versions.
Its output is high enough to make my CH-1 Chorus distort if i'm not careful. It's a good pickup for screamy leads but gets a bit brittle for clean work. Although that might just be me not like the bridge position in most guitars.  |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 01:08:54
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I remember Mrs F asking me a few years ago why the 'noisy boxes' ..i.e overdrives and distortions were always yellow or orange... "easier to see in the dark" i said...
i bought a SD hot rails for my Tele a few years back but was never really happy with it until recently where i rewired it from series to parallel which reduced it's output and cleaned up it's muddy sound a bit..it also helped to balance it volumewise with the SD vintage stack i have in the neck position especially with the selector switch in the middle position...i also installed 1 meg pots on the volume and tone which seemed to help... |
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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
1309 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 17:10:48
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Originally posted by mjp
No one wanted a wah pedal in 1982 anyway. ;)
That's true, I guess after voodoo chile and the theme from shaft had been ripped off to death, no one wanted it anymore.
Actually, Kirk Hammett was one of the first to bring it back, he used an old crybaby on "Phantom Lord" back in 1983 on Kill em all. |
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nosi0
Gold Member
Netherlands
511 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 17:18:46
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| Well very specific colours on a particle level can be owned by certain companies. usually the colour used in their logo but i'm talking huge corporations here not pedal manufacturers and certainly not individual pedals. |
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just out of curiosity
