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August West
Bronze Member
USA
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 Posted - 02/11/2008 : 21:57:36
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I recently bought a DD-6 and now that I've had a chance to play around with it a while, I really can't find any settings past about 200 mS (and usually more like 50 mS) that make sense for straight ahead rock / blues / metal. The 5.2 seconds max delay is neat to screw around with for Grateful Dead Drums/Space type songs and also let's you play short riffs that you can loop and practice playing over top of, but otherwise isn't real useful.
My question is - does anybody use their DD-6 (or 3 or 5 or whatever) with really high delay values for "normal" music? I'm curious what songs people are playing with serious, serious delay added.
At some point I think I may pick up an analog delay - sounds smoother and has all the delay that (so far) I think I need. |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/11/2008 : 22:47:03
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I think you're right. There seem to be some sort of "long delay" competion between the manufacturers.
I've never been able to use a delay longer than 200ms for anything useful and I doubt than many people do. |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 02/12/2008 : 05:32:48
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Hi August West
First of all welcome to the forum from Australia.
You are correct.
Most rock-blues delays are in the sub 200mS range, and even in the sub 150mS range.
I have neat chart somewhere, that I have been searching for...
The longer delays are useful for tricked out double delays, if you have multiple delay pedals.
Now 5 seconds (5000mS) hmmmmmmmm, maybe it's the I've got more RAM tham you in my pedal box syndrome.
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Edited by - Dr. Bob on 02/12/2008 05:38:14 |
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
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Posted - 02/12/2008 : 06:24:01
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| Usually, I use about 400ms or less.. a bit longer than most. I've occasion to dabble with higher but certainly less practical. What IS fun is running multiple delays. I'll typically set them fairly close but on beat. Set a couple drone notes & run scales over them hitting the drones every so often to keep 'em going.. |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2008 : 07:12:08
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Well, I use long delays, 0,5 to 1 second, when I play slide guitar in songs of the early Pink Floyd type (like Gilmore in Pompeii). Ok, that�s not really �normal� music, but why do music have to be normal?
The longer delays I use for really far out music, like looping in the style of early Robert Fripp.
But of course you�re right that the longer delay times are useless in rock/blues (and I love to play both). But some of us like to use the possibilities of technical innovation creating music, strange and not �normal�.
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August West
Bronze Member
USA
137 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2008 : 18:20:15
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I haven't yet learned to play One of These Days on slide but if/when I do I'll try it with your 1 sec. delay (I haven't actually screwed around with the pedal much using slide as my slide skills are limited. I just bought a slide DVD by Warren Haynes to get me moving on that) OOTD would be a good song for a lot of delay if I played bass - I believe Roger Waters uses just a hint of delay on that one....
I'm a huge Crimson fan, not so much the more ambient Fripp solo work which I can see would use more delay than most Crimson. Can you think of any specific Crimson/Fripp with the real long delay? I won't pretend to be able to play a whole lot of Fripp though - the fast portions of Schizoid Man and Fracture for example are way out of reach. "Red" is more my speed.
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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Posted - 02/12/2008 : 18:34:00
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Originally posted by August West
I recently bought a DD-6 and now that I've had a chance to play around with it a while, I really can't find any settings past about 200 mS (and usually more like 50 mS) that make sense for straight ahead rock / blues / metal. The 5.2 seconds max delay is neat to screw around with for Grateful Dead Drums/Space type songs and also let's you play short riffs that you can loop and practice playing over top of, but otherwise isn't real useful.
My question is - does anybody use their DD-6 (or 3 or 5 or whatever) with really high delay values for "normal" music? I'm curious what songs people are playing with serious, serious delay added.
At some point I think I may pick up an analog delay - sounds smoother and has all the delay that (so far) I think I need.
hi and welcome to the forum....i use 2 DD-3's on my pedalboard ..i'm not sure of the exact delay time but the delay knob on one is at 2 0'clock and the other is at 10 0'clock .effect level and f.back normally about 10 0'clock..i don't really mess too much with the delay times except when we do the intro of 'run like hell' from the wall..i set one of the dd3's to delay time at 12 0'clock and the effect level and repeat controls at about 1 or 2 0'clock....i also use more or less the same setting on 'lets dance' by bowie as we have no keyboards anymore it helps fill out the rythmn parts and solo,another trick is i turn both on together for the U2 stuff and i can get that thing the edge does,a sort of stereo delay effect or multi echo,i run a stereo rig but i don't split the signal until my CH-1 which is the last pedal out on the 'board....i find the older of my DD-3's is a bit more analog sounding than the newer one....but unless i come across a DM 2/3 in a car boot sale etc..i won't be in a hurry...the DD-3 is a great all rounder for me....... |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2008 : 07:08:26
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quote:
Originally posted by August West
I'm a huge Crimson fan, not so much the more ambient Fripp solo work which I can see would use more delay than most Crimson. Can you think of any specific Crimson/Fripp with the real long delay? I won't pretend to be able to play a whole lot of Fripp though - the fast portions of Schizoid Man and Fracture for example are way out of reach. "Red" is more my speed.
Thanks.
Great to hear that we are a couple of Crimson fans on this forum!!!!
I have heard all of Crimsons records over and over (and over) but can�t remeber any song where Fripp uses longer delays, except for the looping things on some of the live albums.
With or without delay Fripp is my favourite guitarist, period. |
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visserman
Platinum Member
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Posted - 02/14/2008 : 16:57:16
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Originally posted by August West
I recently bought a DD-6 and now that I've had a chance to play around with it a while, I really can't find any settings past about 200 mS (and usually more like 50 mS) that make sense for straight ahead rock / blues / metal. The 5.2 seconds max delay is neat to screw around with for Grateful Dead Drums/Space type songs and also let's you play short riffs that you can loop and practice playing over top of, but otherwise isn't real useful.
My question is - does anybody use their DD-6 (or 3 or 5 or whatever) with really high delay values for "normal" music? I'm curious what songs people are playing with serious, serious delay added.
At some point I think I may pick up an analog delay - sounds smoother and has all the delay that (so far) I think I need.
The DD6 excells as a looppedal and sound-on-sound.
I can get a whole band in there: Drumbeats, basslines, various guitarparts etc. and the sound does not deteriate. You need to think about songarrangements in order not to get the sound too cluttered.
I may be unusual that I use a DD6 on its own for so many sounds.
I have now even got it to a fine art that I may consider it using live.
Okay as a 5.6 delay pedal the DD6 may be overkill, but it does have many good features.
As a "real dedicated delay" I use the DD2, and the DD5 for special effects since the DD6 is taken up with the loop function.
I guess most people feel that the sound-on-sound feature will only work for about 2 to 3 parts and also, people may feel that 5.6 secs is too short for songs. Think again!!You can get two bars in there, and if you mix things well you can play a lot of good stuff, and all on your own as well. If you can do this well the RC2 will be a piece of #######
I like to limit myself with my options so hence me using the DD6 as a looper.
If you look into it you may discover a whole new world, less hassle with peole not turning up for rehearsals and gigs and all the good things in between. It will also teach you about pedalpatched, AB boxes and all the likes. I can keep playing, but I switch a lot between lines and sounds without having to unplug cables--yes a very good skill on its own!!--
Enoy!!! |
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