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stratman
Silver Member
Australia
283 Posts |
 Posted - 10/19/2006 : 01:33:48
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Originally posted by jack
My foreign ass has bought stuff directly from the Australian label Camera Obscura off of eBay, and if it wasn't for eBay I might not have found those CDs elsewhere. I even got the item faster from Australia than I have from a few sellers that were in the States!
And vice-versa here too Jack... For example, I bought "The BOSS Book" from a US eBay seller, for 2/3 of the price here in Austrlia (including the postage cost) and it took less than a week to arrive! I love eBay for that.
I do try to buy only with PayPal and where there's the PayPal Coverage. Saved me twice too! I waited for over 3 months for a couple of items to arrive once and when they didn't, I first contaced the seller and he assured me he posted them - even checked the address. I believed him though - he seemed genuine enough. Not his fault at all. But I think it was the shipping method that was the problem - via sea, not airmail. I've heard a lot of things get lost when coming via sea - containers going overboard etc. But in both cases all I had to do was make a claim with PayPal (via the Automatic Coverage link) and the money was back in my account within 3 days!!! Don't ever know what happened to the particular items? I hope the Seller got them back or was compensated in some way. But now I'll always pay the extra for airmail (preferably with insurance) so there's no missing out for either Seller or Buyer - everyone's happy this way! |
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
2232 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 04:44:43
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| i think i just went through a little scam today actually. i won an HM-2 a while back for 24 bucks i believe. the seller actually complained to me that he thought he would get more for it. anyway, he said it was 15 bucks for shipping. a little high for a pedal, but fine ill pay it. it came today, and there was a 10 dollar "shipping" fee. no not customs or duties, but a 10 dollar COD fee! im thinking that he just kept the first 15 bucks for shipping, and decided to COD 10 bucks for shipping. is that possible? |
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stahlhart
Platinum Member
1318 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 05:45:01
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Originally posted by StratoSphere
i think i just went through a little scam today actually. i won an HM-2 a while back for 24 bucks i believe. the seller actually complained to me that he thought he would get more for it. anyway, he said it was 15 bucks for shipping. a little high for a pedal, but fine ill pay it. it came today, and there was a 10 dollar "shipping" fee. no not customs or duties, but a 10 dollar COD fee! im thinking that he just kept the first 15 bucks for shipping, and decided to COD 10 bucks for shipping. is that possible?
Yup. I'd neg the son of a bitch for it, too. His fault for not setting a reserve, or ending the auction prior to close.
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HAGALAZ
Silver Member
Australia
161 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 07:11:58
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dont get me wrong stratman I have had 200 buys/sells on ebay, there are only a few who do the postage rip off scam, most are genuine in fact I have a 10US credit with one seller (who sells lots of pedals) because the postage charged was cheaper, but there are a few who try it on and it is actually against ebay policy charging more for postage than what it costs, some add a handling fee etc etc to which is fine but when it is 15 to send something on the box and I have paid 30-40 for it there is something wrong!!!!
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stratman
Silver Member
Australia
283 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 07:30:09
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I hear you HAGALAZ! And agree 100%  |
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ronster
Gold Member
Australia
645 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 09:42:35
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It's a pity that its too easy to get ripped off on ebay. Dodgy goods, sells who lie, postage costs through the room (especially when posting things to Oz).
The feedback rating helps but is no guarantee of honesty. If only there was a way to get more detailed ratings on people or more descriptive comments. I think people are sometimes reluctant to give negative feedback which doesn't help others on ebay.
What really bugs me is when I have paid for an item (and very quickly too), the seller won't give me my feedback until I give them feedback. I just think, if I've paid it should be the end of it. 
Cya
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stratman
Silver Member
Australia
283 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 23:49:07
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Originally posted by ronster
What really bugs me is when I have paid for an item (and very quickly too), the seller won't give me my feedback until I give them feedback. I just think, if I've paid it should be the end of it.
Cya
Yep, I agree 100%. If you've paid, that's your only responsibility as a buyer and you should get +ve feedback straight away.
If I now buy something and the seller doesn't leave me feedback, I'll wait until the item arrives and then message the seller explaining my "principles" on eBay's feedback system. If I'm happy with the item I'll also let them know that I plan to leave positive feedback... ONCE THEY DO!!!
Call it a "bribe" if you like but I stand by these principles and have received my feedback from the seller first every time.
I think they're worried that once they leave you +ve feedback then you can leave a neg for them regardless - probably shows they're not an honest person in that case anyway. |
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ronster
Gold Member
Australia
645 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2006 : 16:50:22
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I like your idea stratman. Must try that one next time I buy something from ebay!
Cya
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Big Boss Man
Gold Member
USA
564 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2006 : 21:33:19
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Why should the seller leave feedback right after the buyer pays? The transaction is not over until the buyer receives the item and is happy with it. How does the seller know there will not be some sort of dispute regarding the transaction? Maybe the buyer will try to claim they did not receive the item? Isn�t that something that could potentially influence the feedback if you are the seller?
One thing I would change though is that both parties should be required to leave feedback or any positive feedback received will not increase their score. That way one of those types who receives positive feedback but does not leave any will not benefit.
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
1418 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2006 : 22:35:50
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Originally posted by Big Boss Man
Why should the seller leave feedback right after the buyer pays? The transaction is not over until the buyer receives the item and is happy with it. How does the seller know there will not be some sort of dispute regarding the transaction? Maybe the buyer will try to claim they did not receive the item? Isn�t that something that could potentially influence the feedback if you are the seller?
One thing I would change though is that both parties should be required to leave feedback or any positive feedback received will not increase their score. That way one of those types who receives positive feedback but does not leave any will not benefit.
I gotta agree with Big Boss Man on both parts of this one. While payment is the only obligation of the buyer, the seller may be reluctant to leave feedback until the buyer acknowledges they are satisfied with the transaction. And I think that feedback not counting until both parties leave feedback for one another is a great idea.
Another idea I wish eBay would implement is a way to check only the negative feedbacks of a seller or buyer. Because there are some Sellers out there with 98-99% feedback ratings, but they may get as many as 120 negatives in a month, and I just would like a way to check what all the negatives are about instead of scrolling through pages of feedback trying to see what some of the negative feedback is about. |
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stratman
Silver Member
Australia
283 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2006 : 01:45:30
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Hmmmm, hadn't thought of it this way Big Boss Man and jack.
You both have valid points there.
And I also like the idea about +ve feedback that you suggested Big Boss Man.
I may have to re-think my "principles" now! v
Thanks for sharing. |
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ronster
Gold Member
Australia
645 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2006 : 16:19:05
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Yeah I like Big Boss Man's idea too.
Jack, I don't know if there is any way to do that in ebay but I know justsnipe.com allows you to look at a seller's negative feedback. Something called feedback checking I think. I've used it a couple and times and found it interesting.
Hope that helps.
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starr36
Platinum Member
Canada
1172 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2006 : 04:58:14
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Originally posted by HAGALAZ
... it is actually against ebay policy charging more for postage than what it costs ...
eBay has no such policy folks - eBay doesn't give a rip if you ship "FREE" or want to charge $50.00 to discourage foreign bidders. what eBay has SMARTLY DONE IS LINK USPS and CANADA POST systems to PAYPAL so you can easily estimate and create automatic tracking information (IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT ON EBAY FREINDS< ITS AWESOME!)and purchase shipping online. Like I said in another post it is to sthe seller's advantage to sell a $40.00 pedal + $10.00 estimate shipping and charge $1.00 for the pedal and $49.00 for shipping (total cost to buyer $50.00), because seller's commissions are charged on the final value of sale price of the item, not the total invoice. This may scare a lot of bidders away, but, if its a $40.00 pedal and you think it costs $10.00 to ship, then simply bid so your total cost is not over $50.00. WHO CARES IF A MORON PUTS $25.00 FOR SHIPPING ON A PEDAL, JUST KEEP YOUR TOTAL COST IN MIND!!!!
I AGREE though it is very annoying when shipping charges printed on the received package ARE sustantially less than what you paid; especially because seller said that they would ship Xpresspost and then shipped snailmail instead. I bought a camera case, and well, the frigging things cost a fortune here in Canada, and I found one on eBay for $15.89 USD and they charged a "reasonable" shipping fee of $10.00. I knew it would normally cost about $10.00 to ship something like that, so I took the deal. I didn't know that the seller would RISK DAMAGING THE CASE BY STUFFING IT IN AN ENVELOPE with a $2.50 postmark Rather than put it in a box properly. Now THAT pissed me off. SO in that instance the seller tried to make money by not shipping properly and risked damaging the product. NOt a good way to make friends. |
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starr36
Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 10/22/2006 : 05:06:38
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Originally posted by jack
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Originally posted by Big Boss Man
Why should the seller leave feedback right after the buyer pays? The transaction is not over until the buyer receives the item and is happy with it. How does the seller know there will not be some sort of dispute regarding the transaction? Maybe the buyer will try to claim they did not receive the item? Isn�t that something that could potentially influence the feedback if you are the seller?
One thing I would change though is that both parties should be required to leave feedback or any positive feedback received will not increase their score. That way one of those types who receives positive feedback but does not leave any will not benefit.
I gotta agree with Big Boss Man on both parts of this one. While payment is the only obligation of the buyer, the seller may be reluctant to leave feedback until the buyer acknowledges they are satisfied with the transaction. And I think that feedback not counting until both parties leave feedback for one another is a great idea.
Another idea I wish eBay would implement is a way to check only the negative feedbacks of a seller or buyer. Because there are some Sellers out there with 98-99% feedback ratings, but they may get as many as 120 negatives in a month, and I just would like a way to check what all the negatives are about instead of scrolling through pages of feedback trying to see what some of the negative feedback is about.
1. It is proper to give fast feedback for a buyyer who pays fast.
2. Haven't you guys hard of the eBay feedback "FOLLOWUP", you can leave loads of feedback by using the followup feature so, no-one can really give you a BRIBE - its just if you give a buyer +ve and then they have a problem or complain about them, you can always "Followup" to your original feedback and say even though paid fast, tried negotiate lower price or complained blahblah. (but you can't change the +ve to a -ve though, which is too bad).
3. some eBayer's don't give a rip about leaving feedback and just care that they get it. FOR INSTANCE, I have LEFT 130 Feedbacks but only received 119, so about 9% of my trading partners didn't bother to leave feedback; maybe they didn't know how, maybe they weren't happy and chose not to vote, or THEY JUST DIDN"T CARE that it mattered to me to do a good job, and well, they got their feedback from me, so "who cares". |
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stratman
Silver Member
Australia
283 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2006 : 10:29:46
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Originally posted by starr36
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Originally posted by HAGALAZ
... it is actually against ebay policy charging more for postage than what it costs ...
eBay has no such policy folks - eBay doesn't give a rip if you ship "FREE" or want to charge $50.00 to discourage foreign bidders.
Actually eBay had an announcement a couple of months back saying they will be looking at extraorinarily high postage fees - like the ones we get on eBay Austrlia for something that ships from Hong Kong - Buy It Now for $0.99 and postage cost of $30 for something like a mobile phone screen protector. Where clearly it would only cost a couple of dollars to ship this item. This announcement was from the CEO or someone and he said that they were doing it because (and I can't remember exactly which one it was now) either PayPal or eBay were missing out on their fees due to the low BIN price. So they actually do care about this in this respect as they (either eBay of PayPal - but I'm pretty sure it was eBay) DO miss out on their commission when the sale price of the item is small - the postage price doesn't come into the fee charged. |
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