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RossL
Bronze Member
USA
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 Posted - 03/07/2007 : 18:56:42
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Since Boss is not true bypass, I was wondering how many pedals you can have on a pedal board before your original signal will start to degrade?
I've always used 4 or 5 without a problem. I do use a treble booster as a buffer as my 1st effect.
I'm just wondering since it looks like all pedals use FET's as switches and transistor buffers on input and outputs.
I am planning a new larger pedal board and would like to use around 8-10 boss pedals, in addition to others, which for the most aprt are true bypass. |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
3652 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2007 : 20:36:27
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| This differs widely depending on which pedals are in your chain. I've got 9 right now and I can hardly hear any difference with or without them. I've had configurations with 5 pedals earlier where I had more tone suck than I've got with the current 9. |
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RossL
Bronze Member
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2007 : 21:30:36
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Will probably use the following TU-2, CE-3, SD-1, DS-1, DF-2, OC-2, DC-3, DC-2, DM-2
Anything here I should be concerned with? |
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
3409 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2007 : 23:28:14
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| At Guitar Center they have over 20 daisy-chained together & I don't hear detrimental effect (pun;) Of course, usually its loud so I may be missing the subtleties but I'm sure if all 20 were turned on, I'd see sludge oozing through the amplifier. |
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
2232 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2007 : 00:07:22
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as BA said, it all depends. i have 25 pedals in my chain, and i notice hardly any loss. but this is my bedroom setup and the volume rarely goes over 2.
the louder you turn the more you notice signal loss. when i play in a live situation, i like to have a max of 3 pedals. |
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stratman
Silver Member
Australia
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Posted - 03/08/2007 : 07:28:54
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Technically, I'd say that only one would affect the tone. Although you'd be hard pressed to hear anything in reality.
Go for a true-bypass loop if you notice anything. |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2007 : 07:45:29
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If your sound builds a lot of guitar to amp clean/semi clean sound then only a few bypassed pedals will degrade the sound. In my ears�..
The more amp generated distortion you use the less the number of pedals will affect the sound, still in my opinion.
If you always play with a couple of pedals in the on-position you won�t notice the degrading, you can also compensate with the amps tone controls.
There are two ways to overcome the negative effects of a pedal-chain when you like the guitar straight to amp sound; true bypass loop or the excellent Boss EH-2. I also like to use EH-2 alone, so it�s not �only� a anti-tone-sucker-pedal.
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Johnrocks
Silver Member
Brazil
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Posted - 01/24/2008 : 22:15:33
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Originally posted by RossL
Will probably use the following TU-2, CE-3, SD-1, DS-1, DF-2, OC-2, DC-3, DC-2, DM-2
Anything here I should be concerned with?
Ross, a lot of people said that TU2 and the other Boss tuners are tone sucker. I have a tuner but it�s not on my chain. My cables are the best (BELDEN + Amphenol) and that cable REALLY makes the difference! I have a DM-2 and now, hahahah the DM-2 sounds a lil exagerated and I use to say (as a joke) that it sounds like a DD-2! |
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sirshack
Copper Member
USA
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Posted - 01/25/2008 : 00:39:01
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It always seems to me that with the exception of extreme signal sucking in your chain, minor tonesuck can be fixed by simply bumping up the eq controls on your amp as necessary. It usually doesn't take a whole lot. Lots of folks get obsessed with preserving tone in the chain, and I certainly fall into that camp on occasion, but there are lots of variables, good and bad, that effect what finally comes out of the speaker. Guitar signal chains are rarely "pure."
Your cable, pickups, various tone and other controls all have some effect on what you ultimately hear and all cut/boost different frequencies on their own.
As far as pedals go, I like to keep it at around 4 or 5. My BCB-30 with an RV-3, DD-6 and SD-1 has no tone suck at all, but on my larger board with two Ibanez 9 series pedals, an MXR pedal and two Boss pedals (and one true-bypass Fulltone) does have some high end rolled off of it....it's probably the Ibanez pedals. I just notch the treble control on my amp up one tick and it's fine.
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pedals 4 pv
Platinum Member
Canada
1351 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2008 : 07:10:37
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I have to agree with you, sirshack, and let me welcome you to the forum. This whole signal degradation thing is overblown, IMHO. A lot of people forget that music is for listening to, and not for analyzation with an osciloscope. To get the true guitar sound, with absolutely no signal degradation from pickups, pedals, cables, transistors or tubes, I use the one on the left.
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2008 : 10:24:51
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Originally posted by pedals 4 pv
I have to agree with you, sirshack, and let me welcome you to the forum.
This whole signal degradation thing is overblown, IMHO. A lot of people forget that music is for listening to, and not for analyzation with an oscilloscope.
To get the true guitar sound, with absolutely no signal degradation from pickups, pedals, cables, transistors or tubes, I use the one on the left.
Edited out the image.
Hi pedals 4 pv
Blue - Don't forget the HP N&D --- Noise & distortion Analyser. Still it looks good on the Lab bench. 
I spent 10 years trying to get one of those.
Red - I imagine that you don't get much signal degradation & tone suck from that unit.. 
Is it TRUE ACOUSTIC  --- NON-Pickup
Regards Dr. Bob
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pedals 4 pv
Platinum Member
Canada
1351 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2008 : 06:06:39
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| Yep she's true acoustic, Dr. Bob. I bought it new in 1990, and it's my prize possesion. I thought of installing a fishman pickup but decided against it, and I am glad I did |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2008 : 07:09:11
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Originally posted by pedals 4 pv
Yep she's true acoustic, Dr. Bob. I bought it new in 1990, and it's my prize possesion. I thought of installing a fishman pickup but decided against it, and I am glad I did
Hi pedals 4 pv
Don't you mean I'm glad I didn't ... about installing the Fishman.
I bought myself a Fender cutaway acoustic, a few years back,
it has a Fishman Classic 4T installed --- Very nice, I love the sound of Fishman's.
it's my fingers only, I kill you if you use a pick, guitar,
I decided that it would be THE Guitar, that never gets touched by a plectrum.
And I'm glad I made that decision.
It took me years to get a real Fender Acoustic.
it was my Santa Bob, gift to Dr. Bob 2 christmas's ago.
The Fishman also has a Chromatic tuner built in, great for on the fly dropped tunings.
Regards Santa Dr. Bob |
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pedals 4 pv
Platinum Member
Canada
1351 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2008 : 08:45:12
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Originally posted by Dr. Bob
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Originally posted by pedals 4 pv
Yep she's true acoustic, Dr. Bob. I bought it new in 1990, and it's my prize possesion. I thought of installing a fishman pickup but decided against it, and I am glad I did
Hi pedals 4 pv
Don't you mean I'm glad I didn't ... about installing the Fishman.
I bought myself a Fender cutaway acoustic, a few years back,
it has a Fishman Classic 4T installed --- Very nice, I love the sound of Fishman's.
it's my fingers only, I kill you if you use a pick, guitar,
I decided that it would be THE Guitar, that never gets touched by a plectrum.
And I'm glad I made that decision.
It took me years to get a real Fender Acoustic.
it was my Santa Bob, gift to Dr. Bob 2 christmas's ago.
The Fishman also has a Chromatic tuner built in, great for on the fly dropped tunings.
Regards Santa Dr. Bob
Hi Dr. Bob, I had to learn fingerstyle because I didn't want to use a pick on that guitar, so I understand the untouched by a plectrum concept. I have never used a strap on it, and mostly wear my sweat pants and a buttonless shirt when I play it. I make it a point to play it at least two hours a week. I don't play strictly fingerstyle anymore, I find that if I use the sweep picking style, I now have enough control that I can avoid inflicting any cosmetic damage. I didn't install the Fishman, I bought the Les Paul instead. If I want to rock out with the power chords, I plug it in, or one of the others.
Please post us a pic of the Fender Dr. Bob. |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2008 : 15:43:52
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Hi pedals 4 pv
Here is a link to the Fender page with the CD140SCE
http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=0961405021
Click on the ENLARGE button.
Or did you want to see a pic of may actual unit?
Mine has a little bit of matching wood grain, either side of the Bridge.
When you first buy it, they fit it with a very average set of strings,
and they should be changed as soon as possible.
"Maton" here in Oz use elixir nano webs, or similar, which really make this guitar shine.
Even a set of Dean Markley Blue Steels will liven it up.
PM me about the amp secret weapon, that the big (smart) boys are using over here,
or if you troll through all my posts, you might find the one, that has all the info...
That's if you are looking for a Fabulous Acoustic amp?
Regards Dr. Bob
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sirshack
Copper Member
USA
41 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2008 : 18:49:18
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Originally posted by pedals 4 pv
I have to agree with you, sirshack, and let me welcome you to the forum. This whole signal degradation thing is overblown, IMHO. A lot of people forget that music is for listening to, and not for analyzation with an osciloscope. To get the true guitar sound, with absolutely no signal degradation from pickups, pedals, cables, transistors or tubes, I use the one on the left.
Thanks! That is a great-looking Dove! |
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