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Edoardo
Copper Member
Italy
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 Posted - 02/11/2010 : 15:34:47
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Hi everyone from Italy
I decided to join our family since I start to have manys boss pedals and I started to love them!
My first post is obviously a technical problem
I ve bought a dd-3 used (2003-04 made) but it has a strange problem.
Everything works pretty fine with clean sound in every configuration but when i crack up the overdrive (either from a sd-1 or from the head [Rhino Black star]) everything starts to fuzz a lot;the more i play fast, the more noise comes out from the pedal. More distortion,more noise. Not really a backgroud hum or hiss,just you dont hear any good note but just a mess. You play just a note, and the pedal repeats it fine, clean or dist sound; as soon as you play more and faster notes, you hear a maze..
Any ideas?
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
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Posted - 02/11/2010 : 15:51:48
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| welcome to the forum, i think you might have noise from the overdrive. you could probably get a noise gate or just live with it |
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Edoardo
Copper Member
Italy
6 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2010 : 15:56:15
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Thanks for your answer
I dont really thinks so, the noise is coming also without od/dist pedal and just with the (little) overdrive of the head. It sounds like the dd-3 is somewhat clipping, i dont understand if in the input or output. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2010 : 17:17:23
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Welcome to the forum..
Are you using the DD-3 into the front end of an amp thats overdriving...? when you say your using the amps overdrive are you putting the DD-3 in the amps effects loop...?..some of those loops are designed for line level rack effects and not really for pedals and the signal they send can be too much for some pedals.. plus delay going into a distorting amp via the input can sound messy... what i would do is try setting the amp on a cleanish sound and put the SD-1 before the DD-3 and put both pedals straight into the input on the amp and see if your still getting the same problem plus i find keeping the effect level below halfway is also good for keeping the sound clear on fast passages of notes..i very rarely have the effect level up past '10 o'clock ' on my DD-3's...
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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
1309 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2010 : 17:25:43
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To further add to this, if you use the DD-3 in the loop I found that your echoes can even get louder than your original guitar signal.
Probably because the loop works on a much greater signal level than a guitar pickup.
I also don't like the delay in front of distortion, that sounds unnatural and muddies things up. |
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Edoardo
Copper Member
Italy
6 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2010 : 18:17:46
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I use a Rhino Black Star YJM head that is the exact copy of a Marshall 1987; I use a Ibanez Jem > SD-1 > DD-3 > NS-2 >head input. I repeat, with a clean sound everything works fine,when i cranck up distortion, even just a bit, everything start to fuzz.. Should the DD-3 work better in the loop? thx you all.
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 02/12/2010 : 03:37:21
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Originally posted by Edoardo
I use a Rhino Black Star YJM head that is the exact copy of a Marshall 1987; I use a Ibanez Jem > SD-1 > DD-3 > NS-2 >head input. I repeat, with a clean sound everything works fine,when i cranck up distortion, even just a bit, everything start to fuzz.. Should the DD-3 work better in the loop? thx you all.
Your pedal chain is very standard. The DD-3 should work without issue where it is - if you are getting "fuzz" then something is not right.
Can I ask a simple question - what are you powering the pedal with? If you are using a battery, are you certain it is fresh and giving 9V?
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2010 : 09:01:30
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Your second post is confusing me a bit ..you say your putting the pedals into the input of the amp but in your first post you say "..but when i crack up the overdrive (either from a sd-1 or from the head [Rhino Black star]) everything starts to fuzz a lot"...if your putting the DD-3 into the input of the amp thats based on a Marshall and have a dirtyish sound or cracking the gain on the amp and then add a SD-1 plus an Ibanez Jem with high output pickups i suspect you overloading the input and the preamp section of the amp too much for the repeats to stay clear as when your running it completely clean your not having a problem.... what is puzzling is the SD-1 causing the problem into a clean amp..how high are you setting the effect level...?...i would try the DD-3 in the amps effects loop as then it would be after the preamp section and before the power amp section so it should be clearer,this is how Joe Bonamassa uses his DD-3 with his Marshall Jubilee head and i would read the manual for the amp to see if the effects loop is designed to take pedals or rack based units....either that or set the effect level on the DD-3 pretty low if your going to leave it going into the input but the loop would be better for clarity i think...
P.S/edit ...How loud are you using the head as Marshall type amps start to get dirtyish/crunchy usually at around 4ish on the volume plus AFAIK the Rhino is a 50 watt so less clean headroom..plus yours is sig head and doing a bit of reading on it it seems it has some sort of built in noise supression plus an attenuator,have you tried the SD-1/DD-3 into another amp..evan a solid state practice amp to see if the problem is still there....?....... |
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Edoardo
Copper Member
Italy
6 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2010 : 20:52:00
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Ok I can restric the area of working: the problem is the d.time pot. In fact, for every setting (50,200,800 ms) if i turn it more than the half the repeats (only repeats not the original note)become fuzzy and very dirty. It happens also with clean sounds and the problem is amplified increasing the distortion, either the amp one or the sd-1 one.... ????
Thanks you all. |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2010 : 02:33:40
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quote:
Originally posted by Edoardo
Ok I can restric the area of working: the problem is the d.time pot. In fact, for every setting (50,200,800 ms) if i turn it more than the half the repeats (only repeats not the original note)become fuzzy and very dirty. It happens also with clean sounds and the problem is amplified increasing the distortion, either the amp one or the sd-1 one.... ????
Thanks you all.
Hi Edoardo
First of all, welcome to the forum from Australia.
Just a quick thought.
And from the above description.
If your DD-3 was secondhand, I wonder if the previous owner fitted a cap for the repeat mod?
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Edited by - Dr. Bob on 02/13/2010 02:35:21 |
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Edoardo
Copper Member
Italy
6 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2010 : 10:51:03
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I think that the pedal is completely stock, looks pretty new inside and outside. The problem is: with every mode, if I turn the d.time knob complete clockwise, the repeats become just a noise like PRRRRR, but if you turn it complete counter clockwise the repeats are completely clear..and obviously you can hear fine the difference with the 3rd mode from 200 to 800ms...the more I increase the d.time knob, the more noisy become the repeats...???
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2010 : 11:12:44
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Hmmm... thats a strange one....what power supply are you using with it...? I think Laurie also asked this ..are you using batteries or an adapter...? i use two DD-3's on my board and the only power supply i found that they work best with is the Boss one....i was stuck one time and used a spare adapter i had and it did very strange things to the DD-3's and an old DS-1 i have....
Dr Bob also has made a good point as some people have modded DD-3's to get that effect of old analogue delays like the DM-2/3 from it but your fairly sure the pedal is stock..
Would it be possible to try it with a different amp and a guitar with lower powered pickups like a Strat or a Tele into a clean amp with the SD-1 in front..?..and did you try the DD-3 in the amps effect loop yet...?...... |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2010 : 15:15:25
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| Could you please let us know what you are powering the pedal with. Thank you. |
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Edoardo
Copper Member
Italy
6 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2010 : 12:34:30
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I power the pedal with a 5 ways adapter that I use with all the others Boss pedals I have and they dont give me any problem...
I tried it in the effect loop and the sound is clearer but the problem is still there... |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2010 : 17:30:30
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| THe DD-3 requires a quite precise supply voltage. Can you please let us know what, exactly, you are powering it with? Pics would be good. |
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starr36
Platinum Member
Canada
1172 Posts |
Posted - 02/16/2010 : 19:32:44
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quote:
Originally posted by Edoardo
I power the pedal with a 5 ways adapter that I use with all the others Boss pedals I have and they dont give me any problem...
I tried it in the effect loop and the sound is clearer but the problem is still there...
- if I am correct in understanding the issue, the clean sound is fine, but the REPEATS alone are buggered up. maybe a problem with the delayed signal being mixed into the output channel.
- May you can try it in stereo and see if that can 'split up' what you are hearing and see what the problem is? |
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