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DeFrag
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Posted - 05/07/2009 :  06:18:25  Show Profile  Visit DeFrag's Homepage  Click to see DeFrag's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjx_GjyXCs4

From a Van Halen concert in Greensboro, North Carolina. The main synth riff is coming from a digital playback device that has been set to play back at a 48K sample rate instead of the normal 44.1K. That means the main synth riff is playing back a little faster and at a key that is somewhere in between 2 semi-tones. The resulting musical chaos is the guitar player desperately and unsuccesfully trying to find the non existant fret. Haha... it sounds like a cat getting strangled.

Remember kids always ask a grown-up before changing sample rates :)

sp-1
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Germany
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Posted - 05/07/2009 :  09:47:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
priceless
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rhcp_1005
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/07/2009 :  13:00:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh dear.
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silvertone6120
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USA
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Posted - 05/07/2009 :  16:52:37  Show Profile  Visit silvertone6120's Homepage  Reply with Quote
About 90 seconds was all I could stand of that.

...Good thing I didn't go to that concert! It's the next town over from here, not that far a drive, but oh what that woulda done to my ears!!
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MullyFX
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Germany
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Posted - 05/07/2009 :  17:04:19  Show Profile  Visit MullyFX's Homepage  Reply with Quote
so.. anybody excited about chickenfoot???
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MullyFX
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Germany
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Posted - 05/07/2009 :  17:06:48  Show Profile  Visit MullyFX's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'm not but thought I need to say something again since I've been so quiet lately
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Dirk
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Netherlands
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Posted - 05/07/2009 :  20:08:49  Show Profile  Visit Dirk's Homepage  Reply with Quote
It can get even worse than that:

What if the singer played a certain song on a piano but forgot to tell the band who come in after 3:10 that she's gonna play and sing it a note higher than normal?

Here's what happens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1tJa7aPUZE
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DeFrag
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USA
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Posted - 05/08/2009 :  06:36:48  Show Profile  Visit DeFrag's Homepage  Click to see DeFrag's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Wow

I'd have to say all instruments besides the bass & drums should back off.
The bass should be able to transpose easier.

Edited by - DeFrag on 05/08/2009 06:37:59
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Laurie
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Canada
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Posted - 05/08/2009 :  08:10:26  Show Profile  Visit Laurie's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Oh WOW to both of those...

I've actually done something just like that. Started playing in D instead of C and my poor vocalists nearly strangled. The joys of Barre chords and being tired
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Dr. Bob
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Posted - 05/08/2009 :  09:52:48  Show Profile  Visit Dr. Bob's Homepage  Reply with Quote
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PaulH
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Posted - 05/09/2009 :  11:30:51  Show Profile  Visit PaulH's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I once saw Big Country back in the early 90's.

Stuart Adamson could not get his guitar to work for the opening track (Were Not In Kansas)... he was having major problems with his effects board.
Rest of the band looked at each other & did a jam version of the track for about 5 minutes while Stuart & his roadies tried to fix the problem.
When they did fix it, the rest of the band finished their "jam".

Stuart apologized, said the band would go off, come back on, and start the whole show again.
Show was then one of the best I've seen them do!!

Edited by - PaulH on 05/09/2009 11:31:42
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The_Doc
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Posted - 05/09/2009 :  12:15:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I didn't realise it was EVH at first - I thought it was a cover band with a big tour budget Pro road-crews and technicians should get those things right but mistakes do happen when you've been on the road and are knackered.

PaulH's post reminded me of something that happened a few years back when I went to see Wishbone Ash (still a great band btw) in Cardiff. A roadie kept coming onto the stage and checking everything for a good 15 mins before the gig started - including neatly folding towels and placing them carefully around the stage with equally carefully placed water-bottles. I lost count of the number of times he checked cables, amp settings, pedals, etc. Amazing attention to detail.

The band came on after big fanfare and (you've probably guessed by now) Andy Powell went to hit the first chord and absolutely nothing - total silence from his rig. Enter stage right a distinctly panicking roadie who spent the next 5 mins sorting it all out.

Credit to Andy Powell, he just took his hands off the guitar, stepped up to the mic, sang the song whilst the other guitarist filled in as much as he could brilliantly (and it was his first tour with them). Best of all, once the roadie had sorted it, all the band just laughed, the roadie apologised, Andy Powell patted him on the back and they all got on with a superb gig. Bet the beers were on that guy for a while...

I guess that's rock and roll...
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FRANZONI
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Ireland
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Posted - 05/09/2009 :  14:54:33  Show Profile  Visit FRANZONI's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I used a tuner on a gig once belonging to the bass player after mine had broken and proceeded to tune up with it never noticing i had hit the little switch that changes the key so i tuned up in Eb.......i stopped drinking half a bottle of jagermeister before the gigs after that......
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Cicatriz ESP
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USA
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Posted - 05/10/2009 :  09:33:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
oh god, reading through some of the comments on the VH video...


Christ, these people are retarded!
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PaulH
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Posted - 05/10/2009 :  09:45:30  Show Profile  Visit PaulH's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I had a look at some other VH videos from that tour.
That synth plays the exactly the same every night.

Looks like the roadie screwed up giving Eddie the wrong guitar with the wrong tuning... and then of course Eddie couldn't actually transpose by ear quick enough on the fly.


I'm suprised Eddie didn't just stop playing, it's not a guitar driven track until the solo... which is some 2 minutes in anyway.


Or, why didn't the rest of the band notice the key mismatch and stop?
My guess is they're all listening to a very heavy synth mix in their ear pieces and not each other!
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nion
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USA
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Posted - 05/10/2009 :  20:23:43  Show Profile  Visit nion's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Holy wow, that was nuts.
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