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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
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 Posted - 10/18/2006 : 08:15:03
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At this forum we are talking a lot about vintage Boss effects, of course.
But when is a Boss effect vintage???
I understand that there is no precisely scientific date, it�s a matter of opinion.
Older than for example 15 years?
I don�t think the border goes with MIJ and MIT, a PQ-4 should in my opinion be called vintage.
And for DS-1, when should it be called vintage??? Silver screw, MIJ, pre-1994 or what?
If a pedal is collectable, well all Bosses are collectable, old or new�.
When the price asked for is the same or higher than the price it was originally sold for?
When they are scarce?? PW-2 is rather scarce, but vintage?
Opinions of this please.
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Sunburst
Silver Member
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Posted - 10/18/2006 : 09:52:32
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To me vintage Boss pedals are the silver screw versions. Then one can discuss if the shift from MIJ to MIT perhaps is another milestone and MIJ pedals should be called vintage.
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Basstyra
Gold Member
France
523 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2006 : 10:16:34
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IO don't like the term "vintage". It's like "true bypass", "germanium transistor", "tube", it's used and abused, and does not mean anything clear nowadays. It's more of a legend to confuse buyers and keep prices high...
Vintage = old, so when people talk about vintage boss, I just think of old ones. But I also think the guy who said this should stop believing everything he reads on the internet.  |
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nibla
Bronze Member
France
131 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2006 : 13:26:11
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
2232 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2006 : 13:29:02
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i completely agree with BassTyra. those words are really thrown around way too much. i see vintage as about 1982 and before really. i dont know why i picked that date, but for some reason, the pedals before that, you can just see the "classic-ness" in the paint. you can almost smell the vintageness. know what i mean?
and ya, pedals like PQ-4, XT-2 i would say are scarce and not vintage |
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Basstyra
Gold Member
France
523 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2006 : 13:30:37
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Nibla : And who on earth did decide this ?? 
My dictionnary tells me "vintage" means "old and collectable". Sort of.
I think I allready saw "vintage" stuff from the early 90's...  |
Edited by - Basstyra on 10/18/2006 13:32:37 |
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stratman
Silver Member
Australia
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Posted - 10/18/2006 : 13:55:04
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Very interesting question!
I would say, to me, vintage means 25 years or more. Not sure why. Maybe it has something to do with cars where I'm from. Once a car is over 25 years old, you can register it for the road as a vintage car for a reduced cost.
So for me "vinatge" = 25 years or more.
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controlfreak
Silver Member
Ireland
337 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2006 : 15:37:57
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Originally posted by StratoSphere
i completely agree with BassTyra. those words are really thrown around way too much. i see vintage as about 1982 and before really. i dont know why i picked that date, but for some reason, the pedals before that, you can just see the "classic-ness" in the paint. you can almost smell the vintageness. know what i mean?
so would a DS-1 from '83 not be considered vintage?
i think it's any pedal that's no longer in production that still has a value to collectors
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steve998
Copper Member
United Kingdom
32 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2006 : 15:47:15
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Vintage wine definition
A wine vintage merely relates to the year the grapes were harvested, it does not necessarily denote superiority. The quality of a vintage, which is important for fine wine, is chiefly determined by the weather and therefore the harvest.
Therefore the 'vintage' of my OD-3 pedal is 2006.
The 'vintage' of a DS-1 maybe 1984 but it would be best described as a classic pedal?
Does this mean that you must know the date of a pedal/guitar/car etc to be considered vintage?
hmmmmmm
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strat714
Silver Member
USA
156 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2006 : 17:47:35
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| When they stop making something, it sometimes becomes "collectable", When it becomes collectable it sometimes becomes "vintage". These words are kicked around like naughty cats. There is no definitive definition. What it is, is...This is what it is. |
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starr36
Platinum Member
Canada
1172 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2006 : 18:56:12
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Hmmm. IN the case of BOSS pedals, clearly vintage refers to the original ROLAND series made in the 1970's (long extinct) and I would say, for sure, the SS series boss pedals at they are not made anymore in the same case (more slightly rounded corners, nicer rubber bottom nicer rubber pedal pad, etc) and nicer paint finish. As a benchmark though, the business of cars being "vintage" at 25 years is a good benchmark as most people will understand that.
Scarce or low production run boss pedals (xt-2, pw-2) or discontinued high impact pedals (DD-2) etc, should only be referred to as RARE or COLLECTIBLE, in my mind.
ALL the old ones can be called BOTH Vintaqe AND Collectible.
My thinking is that the confusion arises because you can still buy DS-1s SD-1s, some BF-2s (some new inventory still in stores even though BF-3 is out) that are still in production, hence confusing people. You pretty much have to hang around this forum and read a lot of the posts to figure out any sense to Boss production runs and pedal collectibility and useability. |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 08:00:41
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Well, as you see the opinions differ a bit�
I agree with most of them of course, and when I started this topic I foresaw a lot of the opinions, the nature of the question is like that.
The only �definition� I don�t totally agree with is the 25 year line; if that was �true� a 1962 strat would be a vintage guitar 1987, a 1958 tele in 1983. And as we all know they were both called vintage before that, and collectors items. A 1960 Les Paul was surely vintage in the early 70�s.
So vintage is not all about years.
Vintage (in musical instrument context) could be something like this: An old piece of musical equipment, rare, not manufactured in the same form today and collectible.
A 50 year old D-string can be called vintage but not collectible, but a set of 1956 original strings on a 1956 Les Paul Junior is indeed collectible on that guitar.
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 10/19/2006 : 13:21:35
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| but it doesnt HAVE TO be rare to be vintage. i think the only requirement is that it has to have age. and like most say, they give it about 25 years. there is holes in this, but i think its just a round number. like i said before, i dont think theres a set time. i think every piece of gear is different, and theres certain looks feels and smells that make it vintage. |
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gurran1928
Gold Member
Sweden
650 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 21:15:23
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| But if you got a cheese it's vintage in 5 months.. I think vintage is very personal. It could be mij.. silverscrew.. 25 years old.. but do you call a piano 25 years old for vintage? i don't know if you do, but i won't.. |
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
2232 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 23:22:17
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| well good point but im afraid we arent talking about cheese or pianos |
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stratman
Silver Member
Australia
283 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2006 : 23:31:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Goran
Well, as you see the opinions differ a bit�
I agree with most of them of course, and when I started this topic I foresaw a lot of the opinions, the nature of the question is like that.
The only �definition� I don�t totally agree with is the 25 year line; if that was �true� a 1962 strat would be a vintage guitar 1987, a 1958 tele in 1983. And as we all know they were both called vintage before that, and collectors items. A 1960 Les Paul was surely vintage in the early 70�s.
So vintage is not all about years.
Vintage (in musical instrument context) could be something like this: An old piece of musical equipment, rare, not manufactured in the same form today and collectible.
A 50 year old D-string can be called vintage but not collectible, but a set of 1956 original strings on a 1956 Les Paul Junior is indeed collectible on that guitar.
There's definitely lot's of debate about this! Here's my opinion:
A 1960 Les Paul vintage in 1971?!?!??! Maybe? I reckon it should be defined in reference to its age versus how long it's been produced...
A 1958 Tele would be vintage in 1983 - definitely (IMO). Or a 62 Strat vintage in 1987 - yep, I reckon that's vintage too.
I'd say "vintage" has NOTHING to do with how collectable or rare it is either. The term "vintage" refers ONLY to it's age. That is, vintage is ONLY about how old it is - nothing to do with collectability, rarity or anything else. Any dictionary definition of the word "vintage" in this context only talks about age or year produced - never rarity, collectability etc.
It's the ACTUAL age though that's the hard thing to define!!!  But I would not think 10 years old is vintage for something that's been around for 25 years.
Probably could be defined in relation to its age compared to how long it's been produced - kind of like a percentage?
Just another thought... and of course, these are only MY opinions. |
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