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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 10/03/2006 : 11:37:25
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I finally got hold of a DS-1 with the BA728N opamp. That meant I could put all three versions on the pedal board and test them against each other. As I have 5 in total I just put them all on the pedal board together.
The two to the right are MIJ with the TA7136AP opamp, the BA728N is in the middle and the two to the left have the newer M5223AL opamp. The RV-2 was left in there as I had a spare space left.
All versions sounds remarkably similar. The newest pedal (the one on the left) sounds a little treblier than the others while the second oldest (number 2 from the right) sounds a slight touch more transparent than the rest. In a blind test I would never be able to pick out the ones made in Japan.
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 10/03/2006 : 13:24:52
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i agree that i can find no difference soundwise in DS-1 whether MIJ or MIT. or any pedal for that matter. the only pedals i can hear differences on is the GE-7 and NS-2 and the MIJ versions actually sound worse, but i think its just because of their age and not their country of manufacture.
Nice setup btw Bossarea. very versatile.  |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 10/03/2006 : 16:09:54
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Interesting experiment Bossarea
I think Orange is becoming one of my favorite, but sadly missing colours in my collection.
Bossarea,
Not that I am disputing your findings, & all the effort you have gone to;
But have you considered, that, maybe the lack of any significant difference
between all your DS-1 pedals, could be because the pedals are in series,
and some of the tonal difference is being masked by the fact that you get some tonal changes, when the pedals are not true bypass.
Perhaps the outcome of your test would be slightly different if you could wire them up in an A-B switch configuration or a mixer, where you would only be listening to, one pedal at a time.
I am interested in these findings, as I said, I do not yet own a DS-1 of any type.
I recentlyexperimented with running two chorus units in series for a bi-chorus effect,
One Deep & Slow, the other one not so Deep & slightly faster on the Speed.
It was a get afternoon that day, going through the three combinations:
1 on & 2 on Bi-chorus mode
1 on 2 off
1 off & 2 on
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
3652 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2006 : 16:26:17
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| I was thinking a bit about how to connect the pedals and decided to connect them all in series because that's the way most people organize their pedal boards. Using a bypass switch would make sure no sound was lost through other pedals but it would also make the test more complicated as I only have one switch and would need to replace the DS-1s to test them all. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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Posted - 10/03/2006 : 19:27:49
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nice one bossarea...did you try turning them all on a once to se what it sounded like... ... |
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
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Posted - 10/03/2006 : 19:42:10
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| Sounds like Mythbusters on Discovery Channel might need to be called. However, I am also wondering if using just 1 DS-1 per test might affect results. That would need to be a 2 person operation to make it a true blind taste test as the player should not have contact with the pedal, as seeing which pedal is being used may bias opinions. |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
3652 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2006 : 19:46:49
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Originally posted by FRANZONI
nice one bossarea...did you try turning them all on a once to se what it sounded like......
Yes, I had to test that didn't I?
Two of them together wasn't bad actually. With more than two they started getting real noisy and with all of them on it was awful  |
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tomwest
Silver Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/03/2006 : 21:28:24
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quote:
Originally posted by bossarea
quote:
Originally posted by FRANZONI
nice one bossarea...did you try turning them all on a once to se what it sounded like......
Yes, I had to test that didn't I?
Two of them together wasn't bad actually. With more than two they started getting real noisy and with all of them on it was awful
Yeah i think that would be the first thing i would try Also have you ever tried every pedal you own on at once? Its quite an experience, me and a friend did it a few weeks ago with loads of pedals, makes you realise how My Bloody Valentine the 'Loveless' sound.
Nice test by the way Bossarea, it's something that's always intrigued me. |
Edited by - tomwest on 10/22/2006 23:46:27 |
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Johnrocks
Silver Member
Brazil
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Posted - 10/17/2006 : 01:33:20
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Nice!
My first pedal was a DF 2 and I got it in 1984, I think. It sounded great. But well, I�ve been thinkingh about getting a DS-1 and I wanted to know the differences between the chips. I tried a MIT this year, but it sounded like a bee. BUT I tried an old mij and it sounded waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better. I didn�t buy that pedal but I�ve been thinking about getting one. I have a OD-1 that�s an amazing pedal but I think I need a Ds-1 too. I wanna tried it again and turn OD-1 one at the same time. A lot of people have been using Ds-1 like George Lynch and Gary Moore (in 1983). By the way, Gay Moore ONLY used Boss stomp box pedals in 1983. Here�s the link http://www.infosakyu.ne.jp/~gys39420/garymoore/guitar/guitar.html. Check the 1983 setting. Enjoy it!
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Dingus
Silver Member
USA
472 Posts |
Posted - 10/17/2006 : 15:23:57
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Tomwest:
That's not how My Bloody Valentine got the "Loveless" sound at all. It was mostly through the use of Reverse Reverb through a Yamaha SPX-90 rack unit or an Alesis Midiverb II.
Live it was mostly all from the Midiverb II, but I much prefer the sound of the SPX-90 for a more authentic "Loveless" sound.
Anyway seeing as how I'm a big fan of theirs I thought I'd just throw that in, since you brought them up. |
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tomwest
Silver Member
United Kingdom
436 Posts |
Posted - 10/17/2006 : 17:44:10
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Originally posted by Dingus
Tomwest:
That's not how My Bloody Valentine got the "Loveless" sound at all. It was mostly through the use of Reverse Reverb through a Yamaha SPX-90 rack unit or an Alesis Midiverb II.
Live it was mostly all from the Midiverb II, but I much prefer the sound of the SPX-90 for a more authentic "Loveless" sound.
Anyway seeing as how I'm a big fan of theirs I thought I'd just throw that in, since you brought them up.
I am aware of that, and am also a fan of the band, i should possibly have phrased it better, however what we got was so much like 'To Here Knows When', if you had to colourise the sound it would be pink, it was so many distortions and fuzzes though that the sound played itself, so you couldnt hear yourself. |
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tomwest
Silver Member
United Kingdom
436 Posts |
Posted - 10/17/2006 : 17:45:14
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| Actually, just for note, the reverse reverb is only a major part in 'Soft As Snow (But Warm Inside') off 'Isn't Anything'. |
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Dingus
Silver Member
USA
472 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2006 : 15:03:14
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Reverse Reverb is key in many MBV songs. You've got to be able to hear that. "Only Shallow" for example uses a ton with the Tremolo bar being pulled while strummed for the verses. (an example you can see in the "Soon" video).
I'm not trying to argue with you here, but do you own a reverse reverb unit, like the SPX-90 or Midiverb II?
I think if you did, you would hear how very apparent it is that it was used on most of their Loveless-era songs.
Anyway like I said I'm not trying to argue about it, to each his own, I'll keep my opinion and you can keep yours.
And maybe if that 33 1/3 book about "Loveless" ever comes out that will settle this for sure. |
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tomwest
Silver Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/18/2006 : 21:42:31
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| I dont want to argue either, and no, I don't have a reverse reverb, however yeah I can see (or hear) it in Only Shallow. I did nearly buy the Yamaha unit they used however, but i bought a Fender Blender instead. |
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Johnrocks
Silver Member
Brazil
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Posted - 11/07/2006 : 19:31:07
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I got a Mit two days ago and it sounds wonderful and not like a bee like the one I tried some months ago. It sounds wonderful and I think that it was made in 2005. It sounds is very well balanced! I really loved it.
I never tried any DS-1 from the 80´s, but I want to do that someday to compare it with my DS-1. So I think that people can buy the Mit. |
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My big DS-1 test
