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Laurie
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Posted - 02/26/2010 :  05:03:07  Show Profile  Visit Laurie's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Here is my SEM DS-1.

These metallised poly caps are the size I usually use and they are a fair bit bigger than the monos you have. Zen is pretty good(!) with sound quality though, so the ones he sent you should work OK. You can see I've used a mono for C7 and it's fine.

Note that this mod was done before I got the resistor values required for the mod - hence the couple of "doubled up" resistors you can see.




Edited by - Laurie on 02/26/2010 05:04:25
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kelmaur
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USA
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Posted - 02/26/2010 :  05:50:05  Show Profile  Send kelmaur a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Laurie

Here is my SEM DS-1.

These metallised poly caps are the size I usually use and they are a fair bit bigger than the monos you have. Zen is pretty good(!) with sound quality though, so the ones he sent you should work OK. You can see I've used a mono for C7 and it's fine.

Note that this mod was done before I got the resistor values required for the mod - hence the couple of "doubled up" resistors you can see.



what did you do there on D5 with the red and black wires? instead of putting a LED there
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kelmaur
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Posted - 02/26/2010 :  05:52:46  Show Profile  Send kelmaur a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
getting ready to solder the .1uf cap to the lead on the probe

is the wire twisted around the cap?

how is the best way to get the cap soldered on there with good contact?

didnt have a close up enough pic of it
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Laurie
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Posted - 02/26/2010 :  05:53:05  Show Profile  Visit Laurie's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kelmaur
what did you do there on D5 with the red and black wires? instead of putting a LED there

The LED is in a hole drilled in the case - it comes through the "O" in "Tone"... that's the origin of "seeing eye" - it looks like a red eye that modulates with the signal.

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Laurie
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Posted - 02/26/2010 :  05:54:22  Show Profile  Visit Laurie's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kelmaur

getting ready to solder the .1uf cap to the lead on the probe

is the wire twisted around the cap?

how is the best way to get the cap soldered on there with good contact?

didnt have a close up enough pic of it


Wrap the wire around one lead of the cap then solder.
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kelmaur
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Posted - 02/26/2010 :  05:55:40  Show Profile  Send kelmaur a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
ahhhh! i see....my mod instructins didnt call out for the drilling out there..although i have seen that step before
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zentropa
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Posted - 02/26/2010 :  06:19:55  Show Profile  Send zentropa an AOL message  Reply with Quote
the caps i sent are 1uf 50v mylar film caps.

i have used them before in mods (i bought like 50 when i ordered them) and they were pretty decent sonically. not quite as good as the square-topped panasonics but they were about half the price and i could get them from a store that didn't require a $25 minimum order and a high shipping fee. they do sound better than the greenies you would get at radio shack and i found only a marginal difference between the panasonics and these. they have a pretty tight sound while still retaining the full spectrum of frequencies on the high end. i've used about 9 diff brands of 1uf's in mods and these were the second best sounding ones out of all of them and they also allowed me to keep the kit prices low. their small size was also handy on cramped boards like the MT-2's.

i sell my SEM kits for $4.15 w/ those 1uf's itemized at $0.40 ea.

the docs i send are pretty basic outlining which components to swap and a physical description of what the new component looks like that is supposed to be used at each step along with links to the sites that have fairly extensive documentation of the SEM. i've never drilled the hole (found it to be a PITA hehe) but a few people i've sold kits to have done that.

Edited by - zentropa on 02/26/2010 06:22:30
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kelmaur
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Posted - 02/26/2010 :  07:20:58  Show Profile  Send kelmaur a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
http://s209.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/kelmaur/Boss%20DS-1%20Mod/?action=view¤t=IMGA0009.jpg

this is what it looks like after i resoldered the joints that werent up to par (shiny).there is still some black on the joints where i originally soldered the parts in.


haev my probe ready all except for the alligator clip..couldnt find one...thought i wasnt going to have to buy anyhting to make the probe, but guess ill have to go get me an alligator clip

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kelmaur
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Posted - 02/26/2010 :  08:47:47  Show Profile  Send kelmaur a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by zerksies

http://www.bossarea.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6284

I would make a probe first it would be easier. to see which part is faulty.make sure that the pedal is on and also check out the opamp too



what am i looking for with this probe...what should i see or hear or whatever...do i need to have two 1/4 inch cables in the pedal or just one in the input side of the pedal

heres my probe....found the part i needed for it


http://s209.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/kelmaur/Boss%20DS-1%20Mod/?action=view�t=IMGA0011.jpg

Edited by - kelmaur on 02/26/2010 08:48:54
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Laurie
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Canada
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Posted - 02/26/2010 :  14:23:16  Show Profile  Visit Laurie's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Clip the alligator clip to the case, plug a signal into the input. Turn the pedal on. Chack for signal on pin 1 of the IC (it is marked with a dot). Then check for signal on pin 7.

What did you find?
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kelmaur
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USA
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Posted - 02/26/2010 :  15:55:13  Show Profile  Send kelmaur a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Laurie

Clip the alligator clip to the case, plug a signal into the input. Turn the pedal on. Chack for signal on pin 1 of the IC (it is marked with a dot). Then check for signal on pin 7.

What did you find?



nothing....(hopefully im doing this correctly) let me tell you how i did it..like you told me i plugged in my signal (which is coming from my wireless into my pedal board into my LS-2 then from there into my two loops...and then out of the LS-2 into my recording interface...

so i took my cable coming out of my LS-2 that goes into my recording interface and plugged that into my input of the DS-1 and clipped the probe to the case and touched pin 1 and pin 7 of the opamp with the end of the capacitor of the probe...i couldnt hear a noise...i was listening for a signal from the signal coming in through the recording interface using my head phones...and i didnt hear anything
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Laurie
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Posted - 02/26/2010 :  16:20:51  Show Profile  Visit Laurie's Homepage  Reply with Quote
What is the probe plugged in to? Needs to be into a small amp of some sort.
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kelmaur
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Posted - 02/26/2010 :  16:27:58  Show Profile  Send kelmaur a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Laurie

What is the probe plugged in to? Needs to be into a small amp of some sort.



ok..i knew something was missing
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kelmaur
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Posted - 02/26/2010 :  16:31:14  Show Profile  Send kelmaur a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kelmaur

quote:
Originally posted by Laurie

What is the probe plugged in to? Needs to be into a small amp of some sort.



ok..i knew something was missing



ok i got a signal off of pin 1 and pin 7 both, but hte one off of pin 1 is a lot louder than pin7
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kelmaur
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Posted - 02/27/2010 :  04:40:22  Show Profile  Send kelmaur a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
got signal off of pins 1 and 7, but the D5 LED isnt coming on
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