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Tele_Man
Bronze Member
USA
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 Posted - 09/30/2008 : 02:12:57
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I don't want to totally cop the sound, I'm just offering it as a reference point. What OD or distortion pedal will get me in the neighborhood of that thundering rhythm guitar from Mississippi Queen by Mountain. I'm playing through a Peavey Bandit 112 (current version with damping and power level switches & three different voicings per channel). I'm assuming I need humbuckers, single coils just won't cut it here.
EQ recommendations?
Thanks!
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FunkenGrooven
Silver Member
USA
360 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2008 : 02:23:27
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Wow I don't remember if they played Les Paul's or what. I think they used Marshall's of some kind so it might be a bit of a trick to pull off something like that with a Peavey Bandit, You might be able to get close, I'm thinking maybe the rarely mentioned PW-2 as it has a Marshall stack kind of vibe to it. I don't know does anyone else have any thoughts? |
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Disco Stu
Silver Member
USA
303 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2008 : 05:01:44
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Hi --
Get a copy of the "Woodstock Movie" from your local library or video store (or Netflix). I'm pretty sure they show L West and Mountain with good closeups of their equipment.
Les Paul through Marshall is the memory I have, but it has been years since I've seen that thing. All I remember is that some guy they filmed getting groovy with a chick sued because he was a hairdresser in Montreal and claimed that he lost business because his clients all thought he was gay until the film 'came out'.
The other thing I recall from reading is that musicians stated that the PA wasn't grounded correctly, and they were getting horrendous electrical shocks from touching a mic or mic stand while playing their guitars.
Not sure which pedals give that effect... I'm still a bit nervous about messing with electricity over a few volts. |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2008 : 07:13:36
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Leslie West played a Les Paul Junior to 90% of the time with Mountain, he also used a Gibson Flying V. And I´m quite sure that he used Marshalls.
I big portion of the Leslie West sound is in his fingers, he has a great vibrato.
Edit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KszD_MfB798
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zentropa
Gold Member
USA
837 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2008 : 15:58:11
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OD-1 or OD-3 are the pedals that might do it. need lots of bite.
OD-3 is a lil bit heavier on the low end and might be able to fake it better w/ single coils. |
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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
1309 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2008 : 17:05:21
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Hi Tele_man, you're right about the guitar sound, it's great
I have the original recording here, it also sounds like the lead guitar has some pedal like a fuzz face in front of his amp, pretty much like Jimi did, the lead guitar sound is a bit more fuzzy sounding than the rhythm.
I didn't know the song yet, it's cool, thanks for mentioning it. |
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
1418 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2008 : 19:36:58
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| You may need something with a P90 in the bridge to get the Leslie West tone... |
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Tele_Man
Bronze Member
USA
86 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2008 : 05:54:55
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| Well I've gotten myself close enough for government work for the tone I'm looking for. Strat with Lace gold sensors set to bridge/middle with TBX tone rolled off to around 3 or 4 going into an E-H Knockout Attack Equalizer to fatten the tone a bit into my SD-2 set to crunch with just a little bit of hair on it going into channel 2 of the Bandit set to "classic," pre-gain on 9, EQ dimed, post-gain to taste. It's working for me; maybe not exactly Leslie West, but I love it. A light phase from my PH-3 adds some interesting color to it. |
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strat714
Silver Member
USA
156 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2008 : 17:14:39
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| When I saw Mountain live (yeah, I'm old) Leslie West used Sunn amps and cabs. |
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Dingus
Silver Member
USA
472 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2008 : 18:36:25
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A Paste of the Wikipedia Entry on Leslie West's Equipment:
West is renowned for helping popularize use of the Gibson Les Paul Jr. guitar, along with the use of Sunn Amplifiers, to create a tone which became his trademark sound. The Junior was originally designed and sold as a beginner's instrument, but West was one of the first professionals to utilize the model on recordings and in concert performances. There were at least two of them in his collection, one "TV Yellow" and the other a sunburst. He used these guitars straight into Sunns from 1969 to 1975. In addition to the two Les Paul Jrs, he used a modified Gibson Flying V (with the neck pickup removed and a P90 fitted at the bridge position) circa 1971-1972, and a clear Dan Armstrong Ampeg lucite for slide guitar. Currently, he favours guitars equipped with dual humbuckers, plugged into Marshall amps. From 1977 to 1982, he used a signature on-board effects MPC model guitar, created by the Japanese company Electra. Another signature guitar model is manufactured by Ed Roman Guitars, entitled the "Leslie West Rocket". He currently also has a signature model from Dean Guitars, a USA Soltero Leslie West Signature fitted with a custom-designed DiMarzio pickup known as the Megadrive. In 2005, West received a sponsorship with Carlsbro amplifiers, and can frequently be seen playing through "Carlsbro 50 Top" valve heads. His studio amplifier is a Marshall JMP. For live performances he utilizes Marshall JCM 900s. He is well-regarded for his use of octaver, chorus and delay effects. |
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BluesDriveMonster
Copper Member
32 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2008 : 06:18:55
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MD-2?
Big Muff?
Need something intense, but not Br00talz. |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
3652 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2008 : 20:44:35
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| I actually prefer the RV-5/DS-2 sound to Leslie West's original sound |
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kidcheesyriffs
Copper Member
USA
24 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2008 : 15:18:47
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I always recall Sunn amps with Les Paul Juniors and the V in the videos and pictures from the early Mountain era. ... what Dingus wrote regarding equipment. I also recall that mid-80's he was using a Steinberger headless guitar and Gibson made a Les Paul Jr for him that had a tune-o-matic / stoptail.
Leslie West probably has my favorite guitar tone and phrasing. Leslie West tone is about the mids. I would go with a higher gain compressed pedal ... something with more gain than a tube screamer, but not to teh br00talz zone. The thing is that you have to be able to keep teh midz under control and not go too far over the top. If you are running a hot P-90 in an all mahogany guitar with an amp that's cooking and compressing, and then a mid hump pedal, it ain't going to sound good.
Another tip - I recall reading somewhere that Dimarzio was going for the P-90 rock tone when he created the Super Distortion pickup. I have an early one from the 70's in my '76's Les Paul and I kinda get that he was going for that, but the Super 3 sounds a little more P-90ish. |
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