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DeFrag
Moderator
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 Posted - 12/11/2008 : 18:25:12
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I suppose by design, its lucky that "most" of the stereo Boss pedals are at the end of the chain like RV-5, DD-7, etc.
I suppose one of the better options to accomodate stereo pedals in the head or middle of the chain like PS-5 or OC-3 direct-out, might be to run those outputs to a mixer. But, that's not much better than the way I use to do it by "collecting" those 2nd outputs into a passive SwitchCraft patch unit to mix the signals.
I just wonder how Boss intended or expected us to use mono pedals with stereo pedals effectively. Its frustrating & believe that they all should have been made with dual in/outs. They could have easily split the waveforms say for a DS-1 with the positive out one channel & negative out the other. I'm not sure if it would sound noticably thicker but could be interesting nonetheless. |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 12/11/2008 : 19:24:36
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Originally posted by DeFrag
"collecting" those 2nd outputs into a passive SwitchCraft patch unit to mix the signals.
Is it really a passive device (just bits of wire)? Or does it have some sort of opamp mixer in it? |
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
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Posted - 12/11/2008 : 20:10:32
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Its only 4 TS Switchraft jacks wired together, nothing else. It may have loaded the pedals a bit but it seemed to work well enough until pedals4pv mentioned he tried to do the same thing & ran into delay issues.. I haven't messed with it since.
I used 3 jacks to "collect" the stereo & direct outs.. while the 4th ran into the right-side of my Furman (stereo) pedalboard & on to the mixer/PA. |
Edited by - DeFrag on 12/11/2008 20:12:09 |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 12/11/2008 : 20:40:43
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Originally posted by DeFrag
Its only 4 TS Switchraft jacks wired together, nothing else. It may have loaded the pedals a bit but it seemed to work well enough until pedals4pv mentioned he tried to do the same thing & ran into delay issues.. I haven't messed with it since.
I used 3 jacks to "collect" the stereo & direct outs.. while the 4th ran into the right-side of my Furman (stereo) pedalboard & on to the mixer/PA.
Hmmmm... probably get a better result with a little mixer? Running the outputs together can cause each pedal to try and drive the others. The rule of thumb for audio is that there should be only one voltage source in any circuit - and 3 pedals is three voltage sources (the output buffers are all high current voltage sources). The "delay" may simply be caused by some unpleasant interaction - one pedal trying to drive the electronics of another. I've tried this in the past and universally received mud for my troubles. I have a little behringer 6 channel mixer I would use to do this sort of signal collection in my rig - and I'd expect the mixed signal to be at the least "ok" and at best really good.
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Bruno
Copper Member
France
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Posted - 12/12/2008 : 06:52:44
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| I'd like a twin stompboxe with a bunch of presets and some of the best modulation Boss pedals (phaser, chorus, tremolo, flanger). Could be cool to program and recall them. |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2008 : 00:16:11
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| I vote for something very simple |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2008 : 00:32:20
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| you think they could give a hit |
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Brutalitarian Supremacy
Silver Member
USA
270 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2008 : 03:03:03
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| hopefully they stop the COSM madness...at least offer something to those who want analog stuff...not modeled analog stuff! |
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leonard d rock
Silver Member
Philippines
301 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2008 : 05:51:57
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| how about OD-4, an overdrive with 4 knobs- level, drive, bass, treble? |
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tony
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
142 Posts |
Posted - 12/25/2008 : 00:05:56
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Just had a thought..
What BOSS really need to issue is a TZF (through zero flanger). I wouldn't even mind if it was COSM, as long as it sounded good. |
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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 12/25/2008 : 10:28:05
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| What do you mean by "through zero", in what way does that differ from a BF-2 or 3? |
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tony
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/25/2008 : 18:17:34
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Originally posted by Dirk
What do you mean by "through zero", in what way does that differ from a BF-2 or 3?
There's quite a concise decription of through zero flanging at wikipedia here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flanging#.22Through-zero.22_or_.22zero-point.22_flanging
Basically, instead of having one dry signal mixed with one modulating delayed signal, you need two modulated delayed signals. One signal actually passes the other - starting behind, momentarily achieving total alignment, then passing. Then the other signal does the same. This results in what I think Analogman described as the "orgasm" in flanging which is something you never hear with conventional flangers because in those designs the delayed signal approaches and retreats from the dry signal but never passes it.
The flanger hoax by EHX does it, apparently, but I'd prefer it coming from BOSS.
Interestingly, from what I've read, the PS 3 can be set to achieve TZF. |
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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 12/25/2008 : 20:27:12
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| I get it a litte now, but wouldn't both signals cancel each other when total allignment is reached? |
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exodia333
Silver Member
USA
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Posted - 12/26/2008 : 05:41:36
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Originally posted by tony
Just had a thought..
What BOSS really need to issue is a TZF (through zero flanger). I wouldn't even mind if it was COSM, as long as it sounded good.
I wouldnt want it to be COSM though |
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tony
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
142 Posts |
Posted - 12/26/2008 : 06:37:29
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Originally posted by exodia333
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Originally posted by tony
Just had a thought..
What BOSS really need to issue is a TZF (through zero flanger). I wouldn't even mind if it was COSM, as long as it sounded good.
I wouldnt want it to be COSM though
Yeah, fair point. |
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