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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 12/03/2009 : 22:13:24
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Questions that come up quite often is "how much is this pedal worth?" or "how much should I pay for a xx-x?".
Previously I didn't really want to add a price guide because prices wary from country to country and can very quickly become out of date. Lately I've started to think that a page like this can be useful after all.
As evidenced by a few threads in the Ebay section, there's a lot of sellers trying to claim "buy it now" prices many times higher than a pedal's worth and I'm growing tired of their greed. Maybe a price guide would is useful after all?
I find the price guide at http://www.hpmuseum.org/collect.htm#diff very useful and thought about creating something similar. The page lists how hard it is to find the object for sale as well as known sales prices. I would also like to add another column with a date when the price was collected so it's easier to see when the data was last updated.
Do you think this is a good idea? Let me know what you think. |
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sp-1
Platinum Member
Germany
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Posted - 12/03/2009 : 22:29:01
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I like the idea, but it won't be easy I guess.
You also have to consider if the pedal is mint or not, boxed with manual etc. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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Posted - 12/04/2009 : 00:51:51
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A rough guide price would be a good thing..at least then people less familar with boss pedals especially the older models would have an idea of their actual worth,i've seen far too many described as 'classic' or 'vintage' when they were no such thing with the outrageous BIN..as Bossarea correctly described it ..Greed..i've also noticed a lot of sellers seem to link to the Bossarea description of the pedal so hopefully the buyers will come in to the forum and see the guide price article...
Ultimately the real classics like DM-2,SG-1,SP-1 etc will sell if the buyer has the funds to pay and doesn't care about the price,he or she just wants it for their collection or because one of their favourite artists uses it,but for the ordinary starter setting out intro the world of compact guitar effects it would be usful..we have seen a few cases in recent weeks of dodgy descriptions of boss pedals with a big price tag,they could of been honest mistakes but who can be sure....Mikys DS-1 and the CE-3 in the ebay forum for examples.....
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Mansun
Gold Member
Spain
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Posted - 12/04/2009 : 02:21:27
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I think there are too many variables... It's a very good idea for starters (like me) though. It should involve columns where you have different grades/stars, like vinyl records:
5=mint w/box;
4=mint w/o box;
3=several paintchips but overall good cond;
2=gigrush but it works;
1=badly beaten up, knobs missing, but still working;
0=for parts only.
That's just an example of how it would look. |
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FenderStrat86
Bronze Member
USA
79 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2009 : 05:54:16
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Maybe the best approach to such a guide would be to start out listing how much the item had cost brand new and work your way from that baseline, applying variables such as depreciation, inflation, popularity, demand, quality, etc.
I guess this would be like the "Kelley Blue-Book" on Boss guitar pedals then. We all know that Kelley Blue book only puts a ball park value on cars, example is I've looked in there and seen a '76 Camero that is mint only list for say $1,800 but the going rate for a mint '76 Camero has been way beyond that price quote.
Sure a lot of these yahoo's on ebay are greedy bastards, but at the same time some of them actually hold personal value for their item and are only selling it for that outragious price simply because that's the price they are only willing to sell it for and the price that they think is resonable, they may not be selling it for a high price because they are greedy but because they just think it's worth that much.
So basically I don't think it would be that easy to maintain such a guide and also make people follow it. So much "worth" value really depends on how attached someone is to their items or how attached someone is to the item that is being sold. An example is I recall a few years back a guy had purchased an old car for a ton more money then it was worth, simply because his parents had the same make and model of car when he was a baby and it was that type of personal value that he possessed for that specific car that made him want it that badly and pay such a high price for it. That however doesn't necessarily mean that this car had a higher value to everyone else. |
Edited by - FenderStrat86 on 12/04/2009 06:00:10 |
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FenderStrat86
Bronze Member
USA
79 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2009 : 06:21:04
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Here's what I purchased my Boss pedals for brand new when I was living in Japan. I purchased them in Japan so I'm not sure if they were cheaper to purchase inside of Japan or more expensive to purchase outside of Japan, or vise versa. I purchased all of them when the yen rate was 122 yen to one (1) U.S. Dollar and before Japan had started a taxing system (pre end of the Showa era).
�24,800 RV-2 $203.27 (USD)
�14,000 CE-3 $114.75 (USD)
�10,000 OD-2 $81.97 (USD)
�10,000 CS-3 $81.97 (USD)
�8,000 NF-1 $65.57 (USD)
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natthu
Gold Member
Australia
756 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2009 : 07:24:29
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Hey Bossarea,
I think this is a great idea. It may prove to be difficult to pin down exact prices - it would be the same for many different vintage items. However, as long as you have an addendum stating something along the lines of "This is a rough guide only" you'll have yourself covered.
It will probably take some time to establish a decent sized database that covers all the Boss pedals due to all the variables. People will just have to be patient! |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
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Posted - 12/04/2009 : 07:51:26
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I think it�s a good idea even if the precision possibly couldn�t be 100%, but it would give a clue that could be usable.
And the list, if updated, can show trends.
I assume it will take a bit of work to do it�
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verivorax
Platinum Member
Canada
1185 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2009 : 13:41:59
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| It's a great idea - the "complete collector's list" from this forum would be a good database to work with - differentiating between silver screw and long-dash and long-chip and name changes.. |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2009 : 16:38:23
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If anyone wants to run with it, email me for the Excel spreadsheet of the "definitive list"...
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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
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nosi0
Gold Member
Netherlands
511 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2009 : 17:37:33
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| This would be a great adition to the boss area site. We should also make differences in condition and type(ss/long dash) |
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2009 : 18:48:16
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If you need prices we members have paid, just let us know 
Do I speak for all of us ??? |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
3652 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2009 : 19:14:45
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Thanks for all your input. It sounds like most of you think a price guide is a good idea but opinion is divided about how much detail to include. Ideally I would like to add prices for all pedals listed on Laurie's big list but in reality it would be impossible to maintain and probably very hard to find prices for some of the rarer specimens.
Instead I would prefer to keep it simple. Add different entries for pedals that have different labelling or have some other significant difference but I think it's too much work to go to the level of short/long dash etc.
Adding conditions like "mint" or "fair" would also require a lot of effort. I would prefer to add a price range to each model. That way it would be possible to use Ebay's completed items to get an approximate price.
I made a preliminary page that gives you an idea about what I had in mind. It's on http://www.bossarea.com/price
The prices was taken from US Ebay's completetd items and I spent about 5 seconds determining the price for each pedal. That's about the length of my attention span. 
Do you think I've simplified it too much? |
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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 12/04/2009 : 19:31:00
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Originally posted by Goran
If you need prices we members have paid, just let us know
Do I speak for all of us ???
Yes, I keep a list of what I paid for what pedal and when, so that's an easy one. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2009 : 20:08:20
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Yep thats pretty straight forward...really you only need a guide price for the older stuff,the person buying a pedal secondhand that is still in the boss catalogue can determine for themselves how good a deal it is easy enough... the rating for how easy or difficult to obtain the older discontinued pedals secondhand is a great idea...i'm still checking out the odd car boot sales on sunday mornings for a bargain,hoping the seller isn't 100% on what it is ... ... |
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