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K_Funk
Copper Member
USA
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 Posted - 02/17/2007 : 23:27:47
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| It's basically the the same unit, but are there any noticable differences other than collector value? right now I'm using a dsd-2, how does that compare to the dd-2? |
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RRV-10
Silver Member
Australia
246 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2007 : 01:06:53
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| AFAIK the DSD-2 is the same as the DD-2 - the big rack chip etc etc - except for the additional functions. Early MIJ DD-3s were exactly the same as the DD-2. At some point the circuit changed; it's probably well document here in some thread. General consensus is current (late 80s onward) MIT DD-3s aren't as warm sounding as the DD-2 and early DD-3. In terms of collectability between the DSD-2 and DD-2, I'm not sure there's all that much difference. A DSD-2 might get $20 more. |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
3652 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2007 : 15:18:14
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| I've come to the conclusion that I prefer the newer version. The DD-2/3 sounds a bit unclear and muddy to me in comparison to the newer DD-3 or DD-5/6. |
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bosshog
Silver Member
Canada
493 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2007 : 22:31:59
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| Do a Google search for Stinkfoot DD-3 and he has outlined the differences... |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 02/19/2007 : 07:50:16
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Originally posted by bosshog
Do a Google search for Stinkfoot DD-3 and he has outlined the differences...
Hi Bosshog & Guys
Here is the link:
http://www.stinkfoot.se/andreas/diy/articles/DD3.htm
There is a thread on this in the:
MIT vs MIJ Digital Delays
Posted by Goran.
Regards Dr. Bob 
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Goran
Double Platinum Member
Sweden
2203 Posts |
Posted - 02/19/2007 : 08:11:20
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I have both DD-2 and DSD-2. I�m not sure they are identical, in my ears they sound a bit different. I think DSD-2 sounds a little darker, a hint more like an analog delay.
This can of course be due to aging of components, tolerances that was different from start etc.
Anyway I like the sound of DSD-2 a slightly better, for the moment...
The delay in PS-2 is quite different from the above, so I�m sure Boss used different delay design for this one, my ears tells me that, I have not studied schematics�
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RRV-10
Silver Member
Australia
246 Posts |
Posted - 02/19/2007 : 10:58:00
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The PS-2 is blech. I may be wrong but I think it was the first Boss compact to have over 800ms of delay (it has 2000ms), but IMO it came at a terrible price - hiss. The repeats are immersed in the stuff. I think it would've been better to limit the delay to 800ms, or maybe 1000ms, and keep the quality near DD-2/3 than to blow it out that far when clearly the technology couldn't support it back then.  |
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lost_in_sound
Silver Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/21/2007 : 16:18:37
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^ i have the PS-2. i like how overcrowded and crappy the delay gets, very echoey, and i can even use it just as a feedback pedal  |
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guirat
Silver Member
United Kingdom
186 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2007 : 23:33:00
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I'll hopefully be trying out a dd-2 very soon. I gave up trying to fix my old dd-3, and saw a nice dd-2 online which I bought. I imagine it will sound much the same, but maybe I'll be surprised. I only used the dd-3 to do 'Brighton Rock'-style noodling, maybe I should try to make more use of this one when I get it.
I don't know whether to keep the dd-3 for spares, or see if it'll attract a bid on Ebay. If it only fetches a few pounds I'm better off keeping it for the parts. I'm pretty sure one or more of the chips are fried, maybe I'll give it one last try to resurrect it. It started working intermittantly, now there is no effect sound. All connections look fine. It's a later model, it doesn't have the dd-2 'big chip'. Pity, because the case is in great condition.
I did have a look at the dsd-2, but decided to go for the familiar. Doesn't the dsd-2 have trigger input in place of a second (stereo) output? I could be wrong. |
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RRV-10
Silver Member
Australia
246 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2007 : 23:41:14
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| The trigger input is a second input. I've always been intrigued by it. Will it work with anything that makes a beat (metronome, drum machine) or only Boss stuff with a trigger out jack (like the Dr Rhythm110). What happens if you plug a EV-5 in there? Control over the delay on the fly like the RDD-10? |
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controlfreak
Silver Member
Ireland
337 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2007 : 09:54:28
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| has anyone else had a prob getting the sitar setting to work on the DD-3? i've plugged a jack into the direct out and set it us as indicated but i just get a cascading self oscillation that quickly goes out of control. sounds more like a bad comb filtering effect. anyone else experience this? |
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Notabender
Copper Member
USA
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Posted - 02/26/2007 : 08:25:27
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i've never gotten my grimey hands on a DD-2, but i've played many a DD-3, both dd-3 and dd-3a versions. I like everything about the DD-3 just like how i like everything about the DD-5 and dd-6. the thing about the DD-3 is that they seem to be an unreliable pedal, at least in boss terms(that means 1 i 4400000000 breaks at some point). I've seen a slew of them in non working condition and the control pots are weak when it comes to foot abuse. This is just a logistics standpoint. the dd-3 makes a great pedal, and is quite a bit cheaper than a dd-5 or 6. lately i've seen a few DD-2's go for much more than a DD-3, that being said i'd say aim for a DD-3, they're relatively cheap and they sound great.
-Eric
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guirat
Silver Member
United Kingdom
186 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2007 : 17:42:27
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Here's a pic of the DD-2, I just received it.
I'm happier with it now than when I got it, I took it apart completely thinking there was something wrong with it.
It turns out it seems to take a few seconds to power up then the switch works as normal - I thought the switch was faulty at first.
There were a few washers missing and the nuts were tarnished, but my old DD-3 proved a good donor. The knobs look identical, the only difference being the DD-2 has one of the letters A, D, G & E inside for some reason, whereas the DD-3 has a circle in each. The metal control-plate could also be swapped, though the DD-2 is cream raised lettering as opposed to the DD-3's flat silver. The DD-3 may have to provide a replacement switch-base, I managed to break off a tab - what an arse, but it's identical to the DD-3 one. Still works fine.
One unusual thing is the Japanese manual.
At this point I feel I've really overspent on it, an extra Delay I don't really need. It's the sound that matters of course, and it does sound good from my brief test. It's certainly handy because of the long delay time, it'll get plenty use, not least because it's been used a lot already.
Oh yes, the grommet! It was liquefying, just like the one on my TW-1. That stuff's hard to remove when it sticks to anything, including hands. Where could I get replacements, I need two now. I tried Maplins but they only have about 4 sizes, none of which look right (I even measured a Boss one). I could write to Roland, but aren't they just generic parts?
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
2232 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 00:35:46
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now thats nice!^^^
nice grab bud |
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guirat
Silver Member
United Kingdom
186 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2007 : 00:21:09
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Glad you like my cleaning work :)
My post above reads like a lot of whinging now, it wasn't meant to be, I'm learning to love the pedal.
The case was given a total clean, plus I added new washers and nuts to the jacks and a pot. The two hinge screws are replacements too from my old dd-3.
I had a bit of time tonight to play with it, it definitely inspires Duane Eddy/Setzer type music for me (though whether they use much echo I don't know, it just seems reminiscent). It can get a sitar-type sound with some experimentation.
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fuzzface
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
121 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2007 : 01:44:44
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Hey Guirat - I had the same thing with the DD-3 switch problem - you had to wait about five or seconds to be able to kick the effect on when you first apply power.
Thought for ages that it was faulty and then realised that I have an early Japanese DD-3 which are internally the same as the DD-2 and I found a tiny little sentence in a Boss FAQ that says this is normal for these pedals -  They could have made it more obvious!
It also happens with the DD-5 too I think. |
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