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Big Boss Man
Gold Member
USA
564 Posts |
 Posted - 06/18/2008 : 02:59:00
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| Early reviews are saying the DD-7 makes the DD-20 obsolete. I have not tried it out myself yet, but on paper it looks like they could be right. So then are we going to see a replacement for the DD-20, or maybe that replacement is the RE-20 and the DD-20 is on the way out? The DD-7 and RE-20 both look great and I plan on getting both. I don't really see the purpose for the DD-20 anymore though. |
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happyplucker
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
126 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2008 : 11:04:55
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| apparently the re-20 is a bad tone sucker? i do not have one, but can anyone vouch for this statement? does it suck tone as i have always wanted om but always been put off by reveiws on harmony |
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
3409 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2008 : 20:29:09
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Originally posted by happyplucker
apparently the re-20 is a bad tone sucker? i do not have one, but can anyone vouch for this statement? does it suck tone as i have always wanted om but always been put off by reveiws on harmony
The RE-20 has such a drastic effect that I really think it overpowers my original signal. Does the Intensity knob work like a Wet/Dry to ease back on the in-your-face this pedal presents? Maybe, but I can't find myself loving the RE-20.
I kinda wish I could get my money back by selling it off.. I'm just lazy. I probably have an hour on it total.  |
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Heart and Soul
Silver Member
USA
369 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2008 : 23:57:02
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maybe the DD-7 makes the DD-20 obsolete, but i'll still love my DD-20 forever!!! ...
and that's a bloody shame about the RE-20...i was looking into getting one at some point but i'm not into the idea of losing tone that much... |
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PaulH
Gold Member
535 Posts |
Posted - 06/19/2008 : 20:49:12
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With the DD20 you can type in an exact bpm to match to the drums/synth/click-track etc.
The DD7 will never do that.
The DD20 has shed loads more tempo settings than the DD20.
The DD7 has only a few.
The DD20 can be programmed to save settings (and tempos) in any delay mode.
The DD7 will never do that.
The DD20 letts you footswitch between settings in alive situation.
The DD7 will never do that.
Personally I would not bother with a DD7... it's overpriced for what you get compared with the DD20.
If you must get a compact pedal... get a DD6 for less money, or a DD5 and a tempo switch.
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Big Boss Man
Gold Member
USA
564 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2008 : 02:51:30
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I can see the DD-20 having an advantage with the saved settings. I don't really play live that often so it would not really be an advantage to me.
Is the RE-20 tone suck in bypass or on? I would probably just run it through a bypass loop so no concerns with any bypass tone suck. |
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verivorax
Platinum Member
Canada
1185 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2008 : 15:31:43
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The DD-6 is still selling for more than the new DD7 in some cases! the DD-3 is still also pretty high in comparison. The DD-7 is $150 out the door in Canada.
If you can find a DD-5, you'll probably pay just about as much as a new DD-7 or more.
What many people are saying is that the DD-7 will replace the Line6 Dl-4 in their boards.
The DD-7 lets you do the fun expression-on-feedback windtunnel effect with the DM-2 modeler.
The DD-20 will never do that.
The DD-20 is also nearly decade-old DSP technology - I haven't A-B'd them yet but the DD-7 has been the nicest sounding pedal digital delay I've heard. |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2008 : 17:41:07
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Originally posted by verivorax
The DD-6 is still selling for more than the new DD7 in some cases! the DD-3 is still also pretty high in comparison. The DD-7 is $150 out the door in Canada.
If you can find a DD-5, you'll probably pay just about as much as a new DD-7 or more.
What many people are saying is that the DD-7 will replace the Line6 DL-4 in their boards.
The DD-7 lets you do the fun expression-on-feedback windtunnel effect with the DM-2 modeler.
The DD-20 will never do that.
The DD-20 is also nearly decade-old DSP technology - I haven't A-B'd them yet but the DD-7 has been the nicest sounding pedal digital delay I've heard.
Hi verivorax & guys
That's an interesting statement,
I know the DL4 has a sh!tty reputation for just failing... full stop, & no real resolution from the support guys at line 6.
Just take it to your Auth. service shop.
If you read their support pages on the DL4 & other 4 switch stomp pedals,
It will frighten you, when you read about the failure rate.
verivorax, can you post a link, to where they guys are saying, that it will probably replace their DL4's.
Thanks again for this tidbit of interesting information.
Regards Dr. Bob |
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verivorax
Platinum Member
Canada
1185 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2008 : 06:04:58
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Hey Dr. Bob,
I can only attest to what I hear in my store.. customers and other employees who find the DL4 annoying for a)failure, b)size, and c)power requirements.
They used to sell like hotcakes, even at $350. There was a really bad batch in 04-05 with many returns of totally dead units. I think its reputation and the EchoPark really cut it down. The DD-7 is the first really viable alternative for many people.
I can see further decline of the DL4 in the future. Digital tech moves too fast. Line6 rested on their laurels a bit in outboard effects.
The market is ever-changing, and consumers are ever-more informed and demanding. Even BOSS has a reputation of its own: the terminal opposite end of the spectrum from boutique fx (massively in vogue today), despite proven reliability and usefulness. I find lots of people see BOSS collecting as an eccentric pastime, and the pedals themselves not worthy of collection or veneration (or even things of beauty). ..but I digress.
The DD-7 really sets the bar high for digital delays. Few pedals on the market will survive against its features and price-point. The Dl-4 has its niche, but I don't expect it to stay in production much longer.
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theemarkmiller
Copper Member
USA
7 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2008 : 03:34:37
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sometime i get it in my mind to buy a dd-5 6 or 7 but they dont do what the 3 does. where you turn the repeats up all the way and fiddle with the delay time to get that really spacey sound.
as for a dd-7 replacing a dl-4? not on my board. my dl4 finally went up on me about 5 months ago, but i owned it for about 4 or 5 years before it died. i also (for about a year) only used my dl-4 as a sampler and recording loops. the fact that i can record and then play it back at double speed and pitch or half tempo and speed, reverse and do all that crazy stuff is the reason id keep my dl-4
everybody has their uses for each individual pedal. some could probably only use a single delay pedal like the dd-7 because it has so many functions. i used to have 2 pedal boards with like 8-10 delay pedals, one for a specific function. then i sold a bunch and my dl-4 died on me.
the only thing that sets the dd20 apart for me is the twist feature. and the recording/loop feature. also you have to consider the space on your board. |
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starr36
Platinum Member
Canada
1172 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2008 : 07:10:50
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Saw a guy using a DL4 by Line6 live http://line6.com/dl4/ and it sounded good
and I'm curious as here we have a discussion on the DD-7 vs DD-20 and I am curious if anyone has dried the DL-4 and compared to the Boss DD-20? I am familiar with Line6 gear. |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2008 : 08:52:23
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Originally posted by verivorax
Hey Dr. Bob,
I can only attest to what I hear in my store.. customers and other employees who find the DL4 annoying for a)failure, b)size, and c)power requirements.
They used to sell like hotcakes, even at $350. There was a really bad batch in 04-05 with many returns of totally dead units. I think its reputation and the EchoPark really cut it down. The DD-7 is the first really viable alternative for many people.
I can see further decline of the DL4 in the future. Digital tech moves too fast. Line6 rested on their laurels a bit in outboard effects.
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Hi verivorax
Do you have a range of SERIAL Numbers/dates, of affected DL4 units?
I could PM you my DL4's S/N if the list was not for general public dissemination.
I am interested for Technical reasons, & because I own an old one, Plus for future reference.
I like the DL4, but not it's reputation.
It has a simple transparency when recording in the studio.
Mine was from a batch of dead & faulty things I bought on evilbay.
Mine still works, but I have had to do the A & D button reset on it once or twice.
Regards Dr. Bob |
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Erik dP
Silver Member
Sweden
150 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2008 : 09:43:49
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| I have read that DL4 doesn't remember the tapped in tempo when bypassed. So if you tapped in a tempo in the beginning of a song and then bypass it, you have to tap in the tempo again when turning on the delay (maybe the tapped in tempo can be stored though by pressing the switch 4 seconds). This is not the case with DD-20. |
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starr36
Platinum Member
Canada
1172 Posts |
Posted - 10/28/2008 : 05:52:20
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a dl4 is for sale locally about $200CAD.
If it can't remember the tempo I last input before bypassing ... himm, it ends up being a $200 Cad of junk. Hmmm. Lots of peeps really like it, and new 'street price' is $300 at Axe, L&M etc. ... oh well.
Thanks Erik for that ... hopefully someone here can confirm if the Tempo is forgotten after bypassing. |
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DD-7 + RE-20 = - DD-20
