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smsesp2
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Philippines
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Posted - 12/08/2008 :  14:21:43  Show Profile  Send smsesp2 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Hello, I have a BOSS DS-2 Made in Japan and it has a problem: it produces loud hum noise when I turn on the distortion (not in bypass/clean mode, all parameters are set to max and the mode is set on Turbo Distortion Mode). My whole gear setup is the guitar, cables, distortion and amp. I checked if the cables, guitar or amp have the problem and the result was there were no loud hums nor any noise produced (no problems) on the cables, guitar and amp. I use a generic adaptor for the power of the distortion. Although I have a schematic diagram which I retrieved from the other topics of the forum, it might take time to for me to review the subject regarding it which is electronics. Please help and Thank you for your kind consideration. Sincerely, Smsesp2.

Dr. Bob
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Australia
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Posted - 12/08/2008 :  14:30:22  Show Profile  Visit Dr. Bob's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi smsesp2
Welcome to the forum from Australia.

It sounds like your generic adapter is not a regulated type.
That's probably where all the hum is coming from.


Regulated power adapters, (like the PSA) or home made ones, have a 3 pin, LM7809 Voltage regulator IC in them.

This IC is also designed to filter out all the ripple on the 9V supply lines.
They typically have hum rejection ratios of over 100dB. (very Quiet)

I am guessing that the DS-2 works fine with a good 9V battery.

Your generic adapter probably only has, 2 or 4 diodes, & a 1000uf filter capacitor.

Let us know, if this is correct.
We also have a few other members here from the Philippines.

Good Luck
Regards Dr. Bob

Edited by - Dr. Bob on 12/08/2008 14:31:26
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smsesp2
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Philippines
4 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2008 :  14:37:59  Show Profile  Send smsesp2 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Bob

Hi smsesp2
Welcome to the forum from Australia.

It sounds like your generic adapter is not a regulated type.
That's probably where all the hum is coming from.


Regulated power adapters, (like the PSA) or home made ones, have a 3 pin, LM7809 Voltage regulator IC in them.

This IC is also designed to filter out all the ripple on the 9V supply lines.
They typically have hum rejection ratios of over 100dB. (very Quiet)

I am guessing that the DS-2 works fine with a good 9V battery.

Your generic adapter probably only has, 2 or 4 diodes, & a 1000uf filter capacitor.

Let us know, if this is correct.
We also have a few other members here from the Philippines.

Good Luck
Regards Dr. Bob



Hi, I want to say thank you for the immediate response and I will try it out. Thanks again.

Sincerely,
smsesp2
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Dr. Bob
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Australia
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Posted - 12/08/2008 :  15:00:39  Show Profile  Visit Dr. Bob's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi smsesp2

No problems.

Are you any good with soldering & some electronics, you could make an external regulator, to fit to your generic adapter.

Maybe put it in a small plastic project box, & fit the LM7809 with a small heatsink.

Be careful with your unregulated adapter, they can put out a lot of extra volts, than what is marked on them.

Some cheapo unreg. 9V adapters, can put out, up to 16 or more volts.

Good luck Dr. Bob
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verivorax
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Canada
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Posted - 12/08/2008 :  15:28:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
All I can add is that a distortion unit with "ALL PARAMETERS SET TO MAX" might add more noise than seems reasonable. How does it perform with the setting rolled back? Not on Turbo mode?

Good luck, and welcome!
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Mesjoggah
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Netherlands
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Posted - 12/08/2008 :  16:50:17  Show Profile  Click to see Mesjoggah's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by verivorax

All I can add is that a distortion unit with "ALL PARAMETERS SET TO MAX" might add more noise than seems reasonable. How does it perform with the setting rolled back? Not on Turbo mode?

Good luck, and welcome!




i'm pretty sure it is because of all knobs set at their max that causes the hum, you need a NS-2 to kill the hum.
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Dirk
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Netherlands
1309 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2008 :  17:44:23  Show Profile  Visit Dirk's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Or a cleaner tone
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smsesp2
Copper Member

Philippines
4 Posts

Posted - 12/09/2008 :  06:43:03  Show Profile  Send smsesp2 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for all your responses, I'll go with the "good 9V battery" solution because I do not know the schematics of the generic adapter I have, and the battery connector has been cut and only the two wires were left, I will try to solder a new connector but it may be hard to desolder the original wires because I've never seen how boss soldered the wires if it is too hard to remove (I will check this out). Then I'll be buying a 9V rechargeable battery like energizer, and also I will be having an NS-2 next year. Thanks again really appreciated all of you.

Sincerely,
smsesp2
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smsesp2
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Philippines
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Posted - 12/09/2008 :  07:03:03  Show Profile  Send smsesp2 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I've seen the inside of the pedal and it seems hard to reach the black wire end (where it is soldered) so I'll not be desoldering or removing the old wires but I'll connect a new battery connector instead. Thanks.

smsesp2
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Dr. Bob
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Australia
6593 Posts

Posted - 12/09/2008 :  08:18:41  Show Profile  Visit Dr. Bob's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by smsesp2

I've seen the inside of the pedal and it seems hard to reach the black wire end (where it is soldered) so I'll not be desoldering or removing the old wires but I'll connect a new battery connector instead. Thanks.

smsesp2


Hi smsesp2

Thanks to Mesjoggah
Here are a couple of pictures of some DS-2's that might help you out,
While you are doing your repair.
In the pedal Internal thread, pages 8 & 11.

http://www.bossarea.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4147&whichpage=8
http://www.bossarea.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4147&whichpage=11


Regards & Good Luck Dr. Bob
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