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maracox
Copper Member
Germany
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 Posted - 10/27/2007 : 13:43:33
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Hi,
This is just my first post. Great place here!
I have a RCE-10 that sounds really nice but is a little inconvenient for pedalboard use. In the BOSS book is quoted that the DC-3 uses "the new digital chorus chip". I found also the following statement in the web: "... Built on the same digital chorus chip as the microrack RCE-10, the DC-3 had enough under the hood to support more complex contouring, and was blessed with trademark grey Boss expression knobs ...".
So, is the DC-3 a pedalboardfriendly RCE-10?
It would be great if someone who owns both could do a comparison. |
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
2232 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 14:23:21
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welcome to the board, maracox!
thats a good question i would like to see answered too. |
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sp-1
Platinum Member
Germany
1454 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 16:49:55
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Don't know.
But good to see another person from germany here  |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 16:50:11
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Hi maracox
Welcome to the Forum from Australia.
Regards Dr. Bob |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
3652 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 17:24:16
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Hi Maracox, I believe this is true although I've never opened up my DC-3.
My RCE-10 is using a chip with the label
Boss
R15229844
MB654119
8631 E05
8631 is the date code. I guess the first part is the number of the chip.
The CE-300 is using standard BBD bucket devices but I think you're right that the DC-3 and RCE-10 are more similar. |
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The_Doc
Gold Member
United Kingdom
509 Posts |
Posted - 10/28/2007 : 18:36:17
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Hi Maracox and welcome - I'm a newbe too and I agree - it's a great place!
I've got both - the RCE-10 and a DC-3 and did a quick comparison this afternoon - both in mono. I would say that the DC-3 is a much more subtle effect - I've read that it really sounds at it's best in stereo (although I haven't tried that yet). You can get close with careful use of the pre-delay control on the RCE-10 but I don't think it's as rich and deep as the DC-3 - more metallic. For an amp/guitar/pedalboard set up - I prefer the DC-3. I remember noodling around with it through a Peavy Delta Blues combo at a soundcheck and someone commented how good it sounded - I'm sure it would sound even better through 2 amps.
Cheers
The Doc  |
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ChristoMephisto
Platinum Member
Canada
1288 Posts |
Posted - 10/28/2007 : 20:53:13
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The DC3 has two main boards inside, and the daughter card is soldered to the mother board with four pin jumpers at both ends, so I was unable to get the chip info in the mother board.
The daughter card has two ics
NE572D
KEP7577
8813KF
and a few 5218 opamps too
I think I may have a loose wire inside. On the pcb for the input jack, there is a black wire soldered to a lug, and has a piece of orange tape on the end. Was this used for testing the pedal, or do I have a loose wire
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exodia333
Silver Member
USA
273 Posts |
Posted - 10/28/2007 : 22:38:52
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welcome bro another newcomer have some beer
I get drunk everytime |
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maracox
Copper Member
Germany
5 Posts |
Posted - 10/29/2007 : 00:13:00
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Thanks for all the replies, so far. Keep them coming, esp. some more sonic comparisons would be nice ...
@the_doc: You said the DC-3 is much more subtle as the RCE-10 but also more deep and rich  --> left me a little confused
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The_Doc
Gold Member
United Kingdom
509 Posts |
Posted - 10/29/2007 : 18:12:03
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No problem maracox - let's see if I can explain myself a bit better!
I find the DC-3 fairly limited in the range of sounds you can get from it compared to the RCE-10. It's great for a rich chorus / thickening effect but I don't think it can do much more. However, with the RCE-10 you can get more extreme sounds, almost like comb filtering, flanging, ring-mod type stuff. Hope that helps.
If you've got any specific questions about how they compare sonically, let me know and I'll patch 'em both in again and report back with a bit more detail.
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maracox
Copper Member
Germany
5 Posts |
Posted - 10/29/2007 : 19:58:25
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Thanks, The_Doc, now I got it.
So I'm especially after a deep, lush slowrate chorus sound. Not much interested in the extreme sounds. On the RCE-10 it's somewhat like Rate 08:30
Depth 11:00
EQ above noon for modern tones, below for vintage ones
Level 05:00
Predelay ad lib
Can the DC-3 sound like this or even go deeper? |
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maracox
Copper Member
Germany
5 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2007 : 09:53:39
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The_Doc
Gold Member
United Kingdom
509 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2007 : 20:09:57
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Hi again maracox and sorry for the delay � I�ve haven�t been able to get back into the studio until today - busy, busy, busy...the best way to be!
Anyhow - I set my DC-3 and RCE-10 up with your suggested settings and used a stock PRS CU22 through a POD XT (set to 'clean'), monitoring out via a pair of Genelec 1029A's + no other processing - so had a good sound to compare the two of them. Used just the mono out on both again. Jammed away for an hour (great excuse!)
I was able to get fairly close to a lush slowrate chorus sound with the DC-3, but, to my ears the thickening of the sound doesn't seem to have that really rich swirling depth that you get with a good chorus (like a RCE-10). With the DC-3 (imho) I think it�s more like there's some delay & detuning going on to widen the sound, rather than a modulating chorus type effect. It still feels more 'metallic' to me, but as I said before, I like it. It suits the stuff we do - got to mention though that I don't use many clean sounds - there's usually some kinda dirt box in the chain somewhere - so, maybe, my ears aren't the best judge of a good chorus.
As an aside, I hooked up my CE-2 and that sounded far better and probably closer to sound you are getting from the RCE-10 but I guess you would expect that from an analogue pedal.
Might be good if anyone who has used the DC-3 a lot in a live situation could also give us an idea of what kind of sounds they get from it.
Have loadsa beer on me maracox for giving me the chance to chillout this afternoon and play around with choruses and not a fuzzbox in sight!!  (it's better when you mix them...the same goes for pedals)
Cheers,
The Doc
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
3409 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2007 : 21:38:11
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Welcome Maracox!
We kinda like it around here.. good guys, good info, great fun.
Damn The_Doc, PRS, Genelec, got some great stuff bub. 
I'm quite the gear hound & would be interested in your other gear. |
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
3543 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2007 : 22:37:06
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welcome to pedal addicts anonymous....if you have a fixation with all things boss and roland(plus nearly anything to do with making music)you have come to the right place...only one problem...we won't try to put you off getting more gear...!!
The_ Doc...if you get a chance try running the chorus in stereo,i run an older analog CH-1 in stereo and to me it sounds like a completely different pedal than in mono......i'm not sure how the DC-3 or the RCE-10 modulates between the two outputs but i'm fairly sure that the CH-1 splits the chorus between the two and doesn't send one 'dry' signal to output B if you know what i mean.......
do you really mix guinness and lager together...??..i know guinness mixes well with milk or some people have mixed it with champagne or cider but the results i've seen mixed with lager is........ |
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The_Doc
Gold Member
United Kingdom
509 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2007 : 23:26:35
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Hi again maracox - you won't believe this, but my DC-3 has packed up! I think it was working fine the other day but, today, it won't work with a battery and when using a power pack the effect has gone really thin & noisy. If anyone else has a DC-3 and an RCE-10 please step forward, just in case I got it badly wrong as my DC-3 might have been on it�s way out!!! Stroppy DC-3 now with techie guy to fix.
Cheers DeFrag on the gear � yep, I�m lucky enough to have kept hold of a fair bit over the years. Some of the highlights � from the rack/outboard � a Marshall 9001 Preamp (very nice), Alesis Quadraverb GT+ and Yamaha SPX 90II (wicked delays and chorus), some good modules & keyboards - Korg MS 20 (excellent), Casio CZ101 (fun) and Yamaha TX81Z (complicated). Amp wise � I�m a dedicated combo through the PA fan � Fender Pro Reverb & Fender Champ (both early �70s silverface) and a Peavey Delta Blues combo (loud and fat). Also a Boss GT-5 (far better than PODs imho). And, then there�s the stomp box pedal collection - running at 168 pedals as we speak (including 66 Boss compacts) � honest � it�s my passion�. I could go on about the rest of the studio but as we�re in a Boss forum after all, I guess I�d best stop there. Still � I think maybe you have a gear hound soulmate!!
Franzoni � thanks for the CH-1 idea - I've got one of those that I�ve sadly neglected it a bit - I'll have a play. And on the guinness and lager - man you are so right - but that's rock 'n roll eh??!!! Big time .... 
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