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moonmarkcus
Silver Member
Nicaragua
224 Posts |
 Posted - 02/21/2009 : 02:29:00
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Can I change the plastic case from Behringer for a Boss Case?
If answer is yes , What boss pedal fit better??? 
I really like the sound of this pedal but is so weak,,,believe me, one day I will destroy it!!!  |
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TKO Ken
Silver Member
USA
162 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2009 : 05:53:39
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It's sacrilege I tell ya
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
1418 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2009 : 06:17:16
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| I am not really sure of the specs for the Behringer pedals, however, I do know that people who tried to put the Danelectro minis into metal housings ran into difficulties...I cannot remember exactly what specifically at this moment, but it just wasn't worth the time or the effort. Some issues to look into are exactly how the pedals do their switching, different pedals switch differently. Also any differences in knob placement may be an issue. I think it would just be easier to get or make a true-bypass looper for this pedal, or all your pedals. Loopers tend to have metal housings, that way you can stomp away, while also getting true bypass, which is something no Boss or Behringer pedal can offer. I seriously think this would be much easier to do than a pedal rehousing of 2 pedals from different manufacturers... |
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Right Foot Boss
Gold Member
USA
881 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2009 : 07:28:32
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| Not to hijack the thread but I have been thinking of doing the same thing with a Big Muff. I don't think it can be done with in a Boss shell, the Big Muff I mean. But a Behringer is basically a Boss pedal right? |
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
4854 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2009 : 11:41:12
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Originally posted by jack
true bypass, which is something no Boss or Behringer pedal can offer
Except this one ... just saw it on the wall at the local music store.
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/DC9.aspx
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
1418 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2009 : 14:22:43
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Originally posted by Right Foot Boss
Not to hijack the thread but I have been thinking of doing the same thing with a Big Muff. I don't think it can be done with in a Boss shell, the Big Muff I mean. But a Behringer is basically a Boss pedal right?
Thats whats a bit misleading and confusing thing about the Behringers...the circuits themselves are similar to Boss pedals, but other than that, I don't know how exactly similar these pedals are to Boss pedals. If they are exactly the same, then its an easy drop-in, if its not exactly the same, it may not be too easy...I don't really know, I'm just sort of thinking out loud about things I would be considering if I was considering doing this... |
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natthu
Gold Member
Australia
756 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2009 : 03:22:22
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Behringer pedals are unfortunately wired so that all the in/out and power jacks are board mounted and you can be certain that the holes in the Behringer enclosure won't match a Boss enclusure. So unless you are proficient in soldering and have an understanding of basic electronics, you will have a tough time re-housing your Behringer Blues Driver. Also Behringer use a slightly different switch which may not be easily matched up with a boss enclosure.
Boss pedals have the jacks screwed to the enclosure with wires running to the board. So it would be much easier to re-house in the other direction (Boss to Behringer)... but why would anyone do that!?
Another option you might want to consider is getting a die cast box from an electronics shop (similar to MXR enclosures) to re-house the Behringer in. They are inexpensive, sturdy and easy to work with. They also make it easier to wire for true bypass with a 3PDT switch if you are interested. Also you won't have to worry about ruining a Boss enclosure if it all goes wrong!
There is no reason you CAN'T do what you are proposing if you are patient and careful. The debate is whether or not you are prepared to put all that work into it. As suggested by Jack, a looper might be your best option if you don't want to tinker with the pedal or have to stomp on it (I certainly don't stomp on my Behringer pedals). |
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hateandwar
Gold Member
Australia
524 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2009 : 10:17:02
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This will be interesting as well, might get one when they come to Australia, i went to buy the Behringer Dimension C clone yesterday and i had to order one in because they have been selling like hot cakes apparently!
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/PH9.aspx |
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natthu
Gold Member
Australia
756 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2009 : 12:16:38
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Hey hateandwar,
Is that PH9 a copy of the MXR phase 90?... Hmmm... I'll have to see what you think of it.
My Space C is working now and I compared it to my DC-2, I think you'll be quite happy with the effect... they are hard to tell apart |
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hateandwar
Gold Member
Australia
524 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2009 : 12:32:03
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Hey Natthu, im pretty sure its a Mxr clone, i cant really afford a real one, so i think this one might be worth a shot
And thats great to hear, im sure ill like it, i had been looking at EH Small clones for awhile..i still dont know if i want one or not. |
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nathanscribe
Silver Member
United Kingdom
376 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2009 : 15:05:46
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Originally posted by natthu
My Space C is working now and I compared it to my DC-2, I think you'll be quite happy with the effect... they are hard to tell apart
Interesting. I have the behringer, but never tried a DC-2. The buttons work diffferently, don't they? On the Behringer, you can push any combo of them simultaneously - i think the DC-2 lacks that from what I read.
Also, when no buttons are down, but the Behringer pedal is pressed, there's an effect present. Does the DC-2 work like this as well? |
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moonmarkcus
Silver Member
Nicaragua
224 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2009 : 15:52:55
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I want to make this because have a CS-3 that trying to fix but it seems to be unrepairable, so probably will have a spare metal housing ( and others things inside CS3) |
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moonmarkcus
Silver Member
Nicaragua
224 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2009 : 16:00:28
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Here images, It doesnt seem to be an easy work!!!!
Can I use CS3 case???
regarding switch, is not just connecting Boss Switch to Behringer board??? |
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natthu
Gold Member
Australia
756 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2009 : 23:09:47
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Originally posted by nathanscribe
Interesting. I have the behringer, but never tried a DC-2. The buttons work diffferently, don't they? On the Behringer, you can push any combo of them simultaneously - i think the DC-2 lacks that from what I read.
Also, when no buttons are down, but the Behringer pedal is pressed, there's an effect present. Does the DC-2 work like this as well?
Yes, the buttons on the DC-2 will only allow you to select one mode at a time. You could probably force two buttons down simultaneously but I wouldn't want to risk breaking the mechanism just to see what happens to the effect.... The buttons do occasionally click out so that no mode is selected (my DC-2 is a little bit thrashed) but as far as I can tell, that always puts it into mode 1...
Have you figured out exactly what the different combos of the Behringer buttons do? ie if you select modes 1 & 2 is the effect produced just mode 1 or is it a combination of both? I haven't realy had a good play with mine. I'm guessing it might be hard to tell as the differences between the modes can be quite subtle... |
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nathanscribe
Silver Member
United Kingdom
376 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2009 : 00:44:24
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Originally posted by natthu
The buttons do occasionally click out so that no mode is selected (my DC-2 is a little bit thrashed) but as far as I can tell, that always puts it into mode 1...
Have you figured out exactly what the different combos of the Behringer buttons do? ie if you select modes 1 & 2 is the effect produced just mode 1 or is it a combination of both? I haven't realy had a good play with mine. I'm guessing it might be hard to tell as the differences between the modes can be quite subtle...
OK, that sounds familiar then. I haven't sat down and concentrated on the differences between the settings and combinations of them... a job for a rainy day I think... |
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natthu
Gold Member
Australia
756 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2009 : 01:20:15
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moonmarkcus,
Between every step of the process plug your guitar in and test the pedal to see if it is still working. This avoids backtracking through several steps to find a problem.
Before you solder/de-solder anything on the Behringer board, try wiring the Boss sockets with alligator clips to the equivalent points on the Behringer board (ie wire the Boss sockets one at a time in parallel and see if the pedal works. As long as you follow the correct convention (ie sleve = ground, tip = signal) this should work. If you can use the pedal as normal by plugging into the Boss sockets, then obviously your connections are correct. Go ahead and desolder the Behringer parts and wire the Boss parts on (use the wires already attached to the Boss sockets if possible). The input socket on the CS-3 has an extra wire because it is switching (ie the pedal won�t turn on unless a cable is plugged in). Make sure you find the correct connection on the Behringer board to solder this to otherwise it will not turn on! (alternately you can bridge this switch - but then the pedal will always be sucking power even when your guitar cables are removed).
You should be able to just wire the Boss switch in parallel to the Behringer one without having to remove it (I think they are �momentary on�) � obviously test this before soldering. If the switches are �on/off� you�ll have to make sure the Behringer switch is in the off position. I didn�t know you had the internals of the CS-3 before when I said the switch might be a problem. If you are going to leave the Behringer switch on the board, make sure nothing is going to physically knock the behringer switch when the pedal is assembled.
The Behringer board won�t fit in the Boss housing with the power socket still attached, so you�ll have to de-solder that when you wire the Boss one on.
I�m not entirely sure what you should do about the pots (control knobs). Because they are board mounted on both Behringer and Boss, which means you can�t really re-position them to suit the CS-3's holes. I also don�t know if you can substitute the Behringer ones for the Boss CS-3 ones � they might be different potentials� I would be tempted to make a new face plate and drill holes to suit the Behringer knobs, this would require removal of part of the face or drilling of the CS-3 enclosure. Also it wouldn�t look entirely Boss then� I could do this myself with no problems as I work with sheet metal for a living, but if you don�t have the necessary tools this would be a bit difficult to do neatly. I could cut a piece for you and send it if you needed. Maybe someone else has a better and easier suggestion for the pots?
You may find that the Behringer board might be a bit wide for the Boss enclosure � if this is the case, don�t be afraid to file the edge of the board � just be careful not to sever any of the trails if they are close to the edge. Don�t panic if you do need to sever a trail � just bridge the gap by soldering some wire (messy and fiddley, but it works).
Because the Behringer enclosures are plastic the circuit boards do not need to be insulated from them. Boss is metal so they include a plastic slip that fits between the board and the bottom plate of the pedal. Make sure you use the one from the CS-3 or something similar to prevent the circuit shorting out on the housing. Unless the Behringer board is a tight fit it will need to be secured in the Boss enclosure somehow - you don't want it to be loose and moving around.
I�ve probably missed a few important things but that�s a start. If you have any questions or problems (it�s likely you'll encounter difficulties you weren't expecting) let me know and I�ll try to help fix them. I�ll have a think about the pots and see if I can come up with a better and easier solution�.
Cheers,
Natthu
PS - forgot to say, if you are not already proficient at soldering, I would suggest you practice on something else first. You will need to be reasonably precise and neat on such a small board.
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Edited by - natthu on 02/23/2009 01:42:20 |
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Behringer Blues Overdrive with Boss Case?
