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highplainsdrifter
Copper Member
New Zealand
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 Posted - 02/09/2008 : 01:00:35
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Hi There,
In the way of introductions my names mike and I'm pretty new to this forum, I came across it while ago trying to find some info about Daphon Pedals. I found a post about them being on sale at Aldi. So based on the post from Dr Bob saying that the overdrive is a copy of the SD-1 as well as a few posts over at DIYstompboxes saying that the OD was kinda like a tubscreamer (tubescreamers and SD-1 being pretty similar) I've just recently bought both the E20OD and the E20DS to have a bit of a play around modifying them.
I've got a SD-1 and used to own a DS-1 but some bugger stole the DS-1  . The SD-1 was bought in the early 90's so I'm guessing its nothing special other than a SD-1 ( I don't have it at the moment as its in storage back in Australia, may pick it up when I go back at Easter for a visit).
So I'm starting a thread to maybe get some ideas on what to do to these pedals and document what I do. If they are copies of the boss pedals I guess all the mods for the SD-1 and DS-1 apply.
I would also like to know what the other daphon pedals are like and whether they are copies of anything. Anyone have the compressor? I've read that Analogman has a delay based on the Daphon delay but with some substantial mods. And theres a guy selling modded versions of the tremelo and overdrive here in NZ.
You can only get the E20's here in NZ and they sell for about $40-60NZD. I guess they're the same as the E10's just in a better enclosure. I may have to try and get a few E10's at Easter, I've been scouting fleabay already.
So anyhow the pedals should be here on Monday, I'll open them up and post some pics and let the fun begin!
Cheers
mike  |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 02/09/2008 : 03:22:02
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Hi highplainsdrifter - Mike
I see you read my posts from way back last year 2007.
You pretty much summed up what I was going to tell you about the Aldi-(LivingstoneE10OD), which I am sure is the Daphon E10OD.
It's the Yellow Daphon E10OD, it's an exact rip off of the early version of the SD-1, it even has the low value resistor & diode on the power input socket, this would make it similar to the ACA 12V SD-1.
And as most of you all know you can jumper these, or just the resistor out to make it more like an PSA 9V pedal.
I have not seen inside the E20OD type of pedal, so I look forward to your pics.
The E10DS (orange) distortion contains 2 JRC4558's unlike the DS-1, I didn't spend too much time analyzing the configuration of this pedal.
The SD-1 took a lot of time to trace out.
I'm guessing that the 2 JRC4558's are being used as the equivalent to the the Single in-line Package (SIP) op-amps that Boss use in the DS-1.
I'll be honest, I'm not to keen on tracing out the schematic of the orange E10DS, but it's a cheap way of getting some good quality op-amps (2) & replacement components, for modding other pedals.
It will be interesting to compare pics of the E10)D & the E20OD.
Can you post the4 link to the guy selling the modded pedals & the Analogman Delay?
Regards Dr. Bob |
Edited by - Dr. Bob on 02/09/2008 03:22:49 |
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highplainsdrifter
Copper Member
New Zealand
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Posted - 02/09/2008 : 05:47:02
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hey there
Analogman delay is here.
http://www.analogman.com/delay.htm
He mentions the Ibanez AD-80 on his page, I had this one too, got it real cheap from a pawnbroker back in the early 90's when no one thought old pedals as rare and collectable, (those were the days!) it was real beat up and had a bit of cardboard for the battery cover. Sounded real cool too but unfortunately it got nicked by the same bugger who took my DS-1, my favourite Guitar, all my CDs and a bunch of other stuff from my house ten years ago I think I'm over that now though ? Although when I see AD-80 on ebay now I can't help but think "oh man".
Heres the guy in NZ
http://www.dextermods.com/
Not much on the site about the mods for the daphons but theres a bit more here where he sells them on Trademe (NZ version on Ebay)
Overdrive
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Music-instruments/Instruments/Guitar-bass/Effects-units/auction-140121490.htm?p=3 br /
Tremolo
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Music-instruments/Instruments/Guitar-bass/Effects-units/auction-140117906.htm?p=4
With the overdrive he's doing the Boss Asymmetrical/Ibanez Symmetrical clipping switch and moding to 808 specs.
The tremolo looks like it may be based on the Boss TR-2 but not having seen either I can't say. He's added a volume pot to it to fix its volume drop, not sure what else is done? Tweaked a few components in the tone area maybe.
Also sounds like he's checking out a mod for the E20CM Compressor so that may be a pedal to look at if you can get one cheap enough. I mean even at $50 for the E20's I couldn't buy all the components to build a pedal from scratch. And at the price the E10's are, I'd probably have one of each I could find just to have a look at them.
Hey Dr Bob, so the E10DS is not a copy of the DS-1?
cheers
mike
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
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Posted - 02/09/2008 : 06:15:15
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Hi highplainsdrifter-Mike
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Hey Dr Bob, so the E10DS is not a copy of the DS-1?
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I'm guessing that it is, but the have substituted 2 DIP 4558's for the SIP dual op-amp that's in the real DS-1
I guess it's getting harder to get the SIP packages
or it's cheaper for the 2 DIP's
I'm guessing it was cheaper.
All in all, it sounds pretty much the same.
Just be warned, I found that some of the Pots tended to have all the effect at one end.
I'm guessing that, they have used all (Linear Pots), even where they should have used (Logarithmic Taper pots), another cost saving.
Here's a trick Mike, on the Heavy Metal pedal (black one), if you wire the Tone knob into a foot contoller, like an old Vol or wah pedal,
it has the same effect as running a wah into a high gain overdrive, & it wahs beautifully just neat the end of its travel (80% to 100%Max)
Sounds pretty cool as well.
The idea is Copyrighted to me...
I will probably off it as an mod, sometime soon.
But you guys are welcome to experiment with the idea. (hear me Christo)
I saw the Compressor on evilbay, 99 cent starting price...
Do you, or anyone else, know if they are using the CA3080 in it?
Or some other IC?
I'll go look at the links later.
Regards Dr. Bob |
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highplainsdrifter
Copper Member
New Zealand
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Posted - 02/10/2008 : 04:21:23
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Hi,
I've been looking at the Monte Allums site, looks as though dextermods Daphon tremolo mod could be quite similar to Monte's TR2 mod
http://www.monteallums.com/pedal_mods.html#TR2
Theres bunch of cool mod kits on the site too.
mike
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ChristoMephisto
Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 02/10/2008 : 16:16:47
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Bob
Here's a trick Mike, on the Heavy Metal pedal (black one), if you wire the Tone knob into a foot contoller, like an old Vol or wah pedal,
it has the same effect as running a wah into a high gain overdrive, & it wahs beautifully just neat the end of its travel (80% to 100%Max)
Sounds pretty cool as well.
The idea is Copyrighted to me...
I will probably off it as an mod, sometime soon.
But you guys are welcome to experiment with the idea. (hear me Christo)
That sounds pretty cool. Seen that trick on other pedals, like the TR2 connected to the Rate, but they replaced the pot with a jack. Guess you could do that with a lot of pedals, if you put in an switching jack you get to keep the knob.
You copyrighted it, I refined it
ps lots of sd1 mods online |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2008 : 12:44:16
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Hi Christo, highplainsdrifter-Mike & guys
(Member) Fancy Pants, just revived this old thread on about SD-1 Mods
http://www.bossarea.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2900
Might be of some use to highplainsdrifter-Mike.
Christo, you have to hear the wah effect on the Daphon-Livingstone Heavy Metal pedal....
You would love it....   
I decided to keep mine, just for this mod & function/effect.
Distortion with filter sweep wah
They are cheap, & if you bugger it up with the soldering iron, you get a few 4558's & a case to build something else into.
Regards Dr, Bob
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highplainsdrifter
Copper Member
New Zealand
7 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2008 : 07:17:22
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Hi Ya,
So the the E20OD and E20DS arrived yesterday, I've had a bit of a play around with them both, the Distortion is okay but the overdrive is pretty cool. The cases they are in are pretty good very heavy and seem study enough. They actually looked a lot uglier in the pictures that I saw of them on the internet.
So I've had a bit of a play pluged into my POD XT LIVE and using headphones( Not the best test but I live in a 1 Bedroom flat so can't really use and amp here) The overdrive sounds pretty cool, I was comparing it to the Tubescreamer effect on the pod and its pretty close. Not to sure about the distortion it sounds alright going to have fun modding it.
I Guess the next step will be work out what is what on the pedals, was thinking about the asymetrical/symetrical clip switch for the Overdrive as a place to start.
Hey Dr Bob be keen to know how it looks compared to your E10OD and if they are infact the same electronics.
heres a few pictures of the Overdrive
 
Theres a few more of the OD here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23695516@N07/sets/72157603892355304/
so there you go, I'll post some pictures of the distortion up soon.
mike |
Edited by - highplainsdrifter on 02/12/2008 07:27:57 |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
Australia
6593 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2008 : 09:47:49
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Hi highplainsdrifter-Mike & guys
PM me via the forum so I can mail you the E10OD pics
It took me about 1.5 hours to locate them. (they weren't indexed) 
I have about 12+ Megs of them. all closeups...
Too much to try & post up here.
I don't have a flicker/whatever account.
I also have a few inside pics of my MIJ SD-1 & the MIT SD-1 as well
I have put aside for you
If anyone else would like them as well, please let me know.
Regards Dr. Bob |
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highplainsdrifter
Copper Member
New Zealand
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Posted - 02/14/2008 : 10:35:25
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hey ya,
Heres some photos of the inside of the E20 DS
the layout looks very close to the one posted by hudpuker in this thread.
http://www.bossarea.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2130
not sure about the value of the components.
Hey Dr Bob cheers for the photos.
Looks like the E10 and E20 are layed out differently.
I would have thought they would have been the same boards. Weird?
On a completly different subject I saw P J Harvey last night. It was a pretty cool gig, mostly just P J by herself on a guitar or playing the piano. She had the coolest guitar sound Gisbon Xplorer in to an Orange half stack, she really used a lot of dynamics in her playing from quiet muted clean tones to full on overdriven Fuzz. And such a cool voice, anyone who knows her songs will know what I mean. I recommend if she tours near you that you should check her out. You can search for P J Harvey on you tube to get a taste of what shes like.
mike |
Edited by - highplainsdrifter on 02/14/2008 22:50:24 |
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