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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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 Posted - 09/18/2009 : 13:41:32
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In another thread (http://www.bossarea.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7970) there is yet another statement by yet another eBayer that:
"These early issue models will be the most collectable as this tens to be the case with earlier issues of musical gear and many feel that current production quality doesn't measure up to the older models!"
Here's my observation... in 25 years, current production stuff will be 'cool vintage gear'. Trust me - in 2034 people will be saying of a 2009 Boss pedal that it "has a certain mojo that you can't get with the 2034 models". Or.. 'the new Made-in-Rwanda stuff is crap compared to that fantastic old Made--In-China stuff'.
I don't really have anywhere to take this, just wanted to say it  |
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verivorax
Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 09/18/2009 : 14:19:14
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This comes up a lot in conversation @ work... will anything sold today (standard production models) really accrue any value over time?
I suppose small inconsistencies or short runs of items (like limited Les Pauls and other Gibsons: the Gothic and Voodoo are examples ) may hold value or increase somewhat with time, but nothing like the kind of values you see on premier vintage gear.. 5-figure Fenders and 6-figure Gibsons, even the rarest Boss pedal seems to want to sell @ around 1k (SP-1 #6400  with everything).
Another confounding variable is usage of gear by famous musicians.. enough rock guys playing Telecasters brought them back into vogue in the last few years.. Adam Jones' Silverburst LP Custom (otherwise from a not-so-collectable era) makes that guitar more desireable and valuable.
I like the idea that production will move from Asia to Africa.. I can see that happening as the economies of those countries evolve. I think it's always "home country" products which have a chance to be valuable - Korean Ibanez or Taiwanese Yamaha aren't nearly the same as home-country Japanese guitars from those guys - I believe there'll be dialogue like Laurie suggested - the perception that the older is better, although nothing will ever compare to the genuine original (which will become the benchmark for rarity and value as well)..
On a similar note, I knew a guy who bought his lefty LP right when Gibson decided to discontinue all lefty models - he didn't say it at the time, but he thought his would be massively valuable as it became more and more difficult to find lefty Gibsons. When they resumed production of Lefties (more than just a model or two anyway), he was right pissed off that his "rare" guitar was now just "uncommon".. silliness.  |
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rhcp_1005
Silver Member
United Kingdom
307 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2009 : 14:25:29
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I think this is probably true. It also means that 'cool vintage gear' as we know it will be absolute treaures if you can find any in 25 years.
Although what if they start re-introducing anologue technology into everything in the future. People'll be trying to collect 'those old digital pedals' and finding out what they have is way better, for the most part anyway.
Anybody have any ideas which current production pedals, Boss and non-Boss, will be considered the best at what they did in 25 years time. Sort of like what we think of the DM-2, CE-2 ect? |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
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Posted - 09/18/2009 : 14:45:40
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| i really have to agree with this statement.most of the crappy instruments made in the 70's are starting to be desireable |
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silvertone6120
Gold Member
USA
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Posted - 09/18/2009 : 15:58:49
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I grew tired of this mentality years ago. I've heard people say "the older stuff is better" for whatever reason, and I've read such snobby statements as "I only play vintage" on online forums...including this forum.
The bottom line is you don't have to have an early original Strat or Tele or Les Paul running into a '59 Fender Deluxe amp to get the "holy grail" of tone. It's great if you can afford toys like that, but in the end all of this gear is just tools...a means to an end...not bragging rights!
I admit I rely on a DM-2 for my delay sounds, but I didn't pay an exorbitant amount of money for it, and I don't wave it under people's noses saying "I only use vintage equipment".
You'd be surprised how many players in rockabilly and psychobilly circuits have this mentality. Totally goes against the "image" of that style of music. But there are guys that will play old Gretsch, Gibson and Guild hollowbodies into old Fender amps and they insist on using old Echoplexes and Roland Space Echo units(which are known to have breakdown problems), just because it's old stuff! It's ludicrous!
And to all the people out there that insist "I only play vintage"...try not to hurt your nose scraping it on the ceiling!
Get real, people... ...older is not always better... |
Edited by - silvertone6120 on 09/18/2009 15:59:29 |
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Heart and Soul
Silver Member
USA
369 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2009 : 00:10:58
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| take heart silvertone...the same people who only use old gear are inherently stuck making old sounds...which is totally laughable in my eyes...not to say they can't make innovative new sounds, but if they're so close-minded as to only use vintage gear, i doubt they have it in them... |
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starr36
Platinum Member
Canada
1172 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2009 : 00:19:43
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| you are right, laurie. |
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StratoSphere
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 09/20/2009 : 08:31:55
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i dont know though. obviously pedals and gear from the past fetch higher prices but i think it cuts off on anything made after around 1990 and i think it will always stay that way.
just look at cars. anything 60s and 70s is worth a lot but how much is an 85 Tercel worth or a 90s Mustang...even in good shape. they will never be worth anything.
as for gear, i think its more of an analog vs digital thing and not necessarily the year it was made. also, pedals now are produced in such higher numbers than most from the 70s and 80s, meaning that since theyre more common, they wont sell for as much.
maybe i just cant see a MD-2 fetching $300 in 2040 but i guess theres no way to tell just yet |
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kulten
Gold Member
France
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Posted - 09/20/2009 : 08:36:47
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40 or 30 years ago, musicians did'nt have the choice.
now, we can play (if it's affordable...) with many different instruments and technologies, we can choose analog or digital or analog modeling or whatever you want.
that's really new in music hitory ; and maybe Les Paul would be happy to have the BOSS Micro BR in the 50's !
there's no gear better because older, just another technology, I mean I love analog sounds and the look of the 70's/early 80's synthesizers, but I actually play with an analog modeling synth that sounds good to my ears, built in the 90's. |
Edited by - kulten on 09/20/2009 08:40:29 |
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Dirk
Platinum Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 09/20/2009 : 10:59:49
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I do notice that a lot of older gear sounds better to my ears.
Which brings us back to the analog vs. digital matter. |
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ChristoMephisto
Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 09/20/2009 : 13:37:23
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Older things were simpler by design, ie fuzzface and the wah
Today some pedals are over-engineered with buffers and such.
and sometimes a digital IC chip can't replace a resistor/cap/diode/transistor combo |
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rhcp_1005
Silver Member
United Kingdom
307 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2009 : 14:26:01
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quote:
Originally posted by Dirk
I do notice that a lot of older gear sounds better to my ears.
Which brings us back to the analog vs. digital matter.
I know a lot of people tend to think analog is better but it's all personal opinion and depends on what your using your gear for.
Anyone that says analog IS better than digital mean that it's better for them, not necessarily for everyone else, of course there can be exceptions to this. |
Edited by - rhcp_1005 on 09/20/2009 14:27:50 |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2009 : 19:58:43
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| it all really boils down to if you can afford it and it sounds great then use it!!! Old new whatever |
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DeFrag
Moderator
USA
3409 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2009 : 21:28:38
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I love analog gear.. great sound for a simpler time.
Forget digital machines with minimalistic controls & all 200 functions & parameters buried in menus; what a bane to productivity.
I just got my Korg Electribe & while new, it has a knob for everything it does. Its pretty easy to work with. |
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zerksies
Double Platinum Member
USA
3406 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2009 : 21:55:24
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| i have to say pretty much all my gear is analog. but i can't wait till that js-8 come out i mean its digital.I mean i just wanna play and have no real plans of going out anytime soon but that should be good for me |
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
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Posted - 09/21/2009 : 03:14:52
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| Roy Buchanan abandoned all of his vintage gear for newer options...That being said, I still don't see myself ever buying a modelling amp with effects, tuner, and GPS all built into it |
Edited by - jack on 09/21/2009 03:16:34 |
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