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Laurie
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FRANZONI
Double Platinum Member
Ireland
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 Posted - 03/17/2008 : 19:43:11
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I think these sort of things come in and out of fashion... we had a 'boyband' phase here and lately a singer/songwriter/acoustic guitar phase as well now it looks like rock bands are on a comeback looking at that amount of posters for gigs around town lately..i don't think this sort of thing will ever really replace electric guitar..it's just another gimmick i think there will always be someone who wants a good guitar and amp and are willing to put the time into it....look at the backlash against digital modelling over the last few years...we were thinking of doing some recording with a guy who asked us would we be interested,but when he started talking about click tracks and pro-tools we started losing interest.... were more of a 'put us in a good room with a couple of overhead mics' type of band... machines are there to help us make music not to tell us how to make music.... off the soapbox,end of rant..... but seriously i think music needs people looking at each other and exchanging ideas to be good,people who think pro-tools can replace a good musician with a bad one and the attitude of 'we can fix it later' is not good..i couldn't imagine neil young,bob dylan,tom petty etc doing anything like that..... i think it was frank sinatra who said if you can't get it on the first couple of takes,forget about it..... |
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zentropa
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Posted - 03/17/2008 : 20:33:52
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fads are fairly cyclical but each time they repeat, there's a little different spin on them. boy bands are the next big thing every 10 years or so :) the acoustic singer/songwriter phase thing is closer to every 15-20 years.
it's interesting you bring up the digital modeling trends as those have come and gone and come again and are thankfully going again. digital effects in general have cycled from the greatest thing since sliced bread (864,931 effects combinations in 1 rack space that all sound like poo) to a laughing stock and now they're back and on every amp under $300.
Boss pedals (with about a 2-year lag) represent a good cross section of what 16-year olds are listening to based upon the flavor of their current distortion pedals (right now, the metal core, mega distortion, etc.). in turn, shred guitars (especially MIJ and USA) have doubled or even tripled in value. at least 7-string abominations are growing less and less popular so i have a feeling the cycle is going to change soon. however, i do predict that there will be an 8-string guitar featuring a low F# should make its debut around 2023 when the angry 16 year olds are rocking out to nu-er-metal (although, i am willing to accept it may still only be a 7 string guitar with a low F# and no high E string) and the Boss SC-2 (Supermegaultradeath Core) will be the top selling pedal, famous for having so much gain that everyone who buys it immediately puts on 10 lbs (~4.5kg for the metric folks).
sorry for the rant...
as for my comments on guitar hero (and i realize it doesn't directly relate to the original post), this is actually a conversation i've had with a few people several times. i think the guitar hero phenomenon is one of the best things that could have ever happened for musicians. what the creators set out to do was to introduce the experience of playing music to the mainstream and to get non-musicians to be able to notice and appreciate some of the intricacies of individual instruments. imo, they did just that.
from the standpoint of a gigging guitarist, there's a whole new crowd of people that now can actually appreciate that face-melting solo you just tore through. there's a whole new crowd of people that now hear your verse riff as something other than a rhythm to mosh/dance to. a few guitarists i know who in bands that do a mix of original shows and 4-hour bar cover sets have told me they get a lot more compliments nowadays after their sets are done from non-musicians (whereas people used to just flock to the singer).
from the standpoint of society as a whole... there's always fads that every kid wants (e.g. skateboards) and if that current fad are kids wanting to rock out, i don't see that as being all that bad. low end instruments are now MUCH cheaper than they were 10-15 years ago and they are better quality. i always assume 60-80% of people who buy guitars won't last longer than a year, but if the drop out percentages hover about the same but the demographic is now 3x as large, there's more potential future rockers of tomorrow now than at any point i can remember. i've always hoped for the day when guitar became mainstream (even though i realized this would polarize both the pricing and quality levels of gear between the nice stuff and crappy stuff) but nowadays it's a lot easier to strike up a conversation about guitar and have the average joe know what a les paul is (even if they only learned it through guitar hero) and people that once would have tuned you out are now listening intently because they are genuinely curious if their GH-unlocked SG-doubleneck is actually worthwhile or not in real life.
i consider the fact that you can buy guitar strings at target to be a pretty decent victory for musicians as a whole. it gives me something to spend target gift cards on other than toilet paper, laundry detergent, and soda.
btw, there are going to be a few of those kids that play guitar hero 8 hours a day that get a real guitar and play that 8 hours a day... and they're gonna get really good really fast. |
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bossarea
Forum Admin
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Posted - 03/18/2008 : 16:25:22
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I was watching an episode of South Park a couple of days ago where they're playing guitar hero (http://www.southparkzone.com/episodes/1113/Guitar-Queer-o.html). It was pretty on topic with this thread.
The kids was great at playing guitar hero but when stan's dad showed he could play carry on wayward son on a real guitar, they thought it was lame. |
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pedals 4 pv
Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 03/19/2008 : 07:09:43
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I don't think the Guitar Hero game will end real guitar playing. The Grand Theft Auto game didn't end real car stealing. |
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Dr. Bob
Moderator
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Posted - 03/19/2008 : 09:27:25
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Originally posted by pedals 4 pv
I don't think the Guitar Hero game will end real guitar playing. The Grand Theft Auto game didn't end real car stealing.
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 03/21/2008 : 07:25:30
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Originally posted by bossarea
I was watching an episode of South Park a couple of days ago where they're playing guitar hero (http://www.southparkzone.com/episodes/1113/Guitar-Queer-o.html). It was pretty on topic with this thread.
The kids was great at playing guitar hero but when stan's dad showed he could play carry on wayward son on a real guitar, they thought it was lame.
Hey BossArea... just watched this episode and NOW I HAVE TO FIND THE TAB TO WAYWARD SON!!! Bugger...
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jack
Platinum Member
USA
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Posted - 03/21/2008 : 14:23:48
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Originally posted by pedals 4 pv
I don't think the Guitar Hero game will end real guitar playing. The Grand Theft Auto game didn't end real car stealing.
I think Guitar Hero is cheesy, but when Tony Hawks video games came out, people didn't stop skateboarding. Yes, it made some gamers think they were real skateboarders, much like Guitar Hero makes some people think they are real rockstars, but in the long run, I think Tony Hawks game planted the skateboarding seed in some kids, and Guitar Hero may plant the guitar playing seed in others. That being said, I still think Guitar Hero is rather goofy... |
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Heart and Soul
Silver Member
USA
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Posted - 03/26/2008 : 00:28:28
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i was about to attck zentropa for seemingly bashing advancement in sound design technology but maybe we should save it for another thread...
the point is, guitar hero is ridiculous...i do enjoy rock band when i'm playing with my friends every now and then but for the most part i'd rather play FIFA...hahaha...
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 03/26/2008 : 00:50:55
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Originally posted by lauries2
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Originally posted by bossarea
I was watching an episode of South Park a couple of days ago where they're playing guitar hero (http://www.southparkzone.com/episodes/1113/Guitar-Queer-o.html). It was pretty on topic with this thread.
The kids was great at playing guitar hero but when stan's dad showed he could play carry on wayward son on a real guitar, they thought it was lame.
Hey BossArea... just watched this episode and NOW I HAVE TO FIND THE TAB TO WAYWARD SON!!! Bugger...
Much to my dismay... I can now play the intro to Wayward Son <sweeeeet> |
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exodia333
Silver Member
USA
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Posted - 03/27/2008 : 02:22:07
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Why cant we go back to the good ol days when analog ruled and there was no such thing as pro tools or guitar hero 
Fads Suck I usually never follow um unless I like it |
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pedals 4 pv
Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 03/27/2008 : 02:36:35
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Laurie
Double Platinum Member
Canada
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Posted - 03/27/2008 : 03:16:38
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Originally posted by pedals 4 pv
Analog still rules
Yep. It does. That's why I have a used Marshall instead of a Line6 Spider |
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The demise of playing guitar as we know it...
